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5 min readAbdul El-Sayed, the Democratic nominee for Senate in Michigan, tells a story about his grandmother pulling him aside during a childhood trip to Egypt. He had just handed out gifts to his cousins, feeling like an American Santa Claus. She pointed to each cousin in turn—smarter, taller, harder-working, nicer—and then told him that the one thing he had going for him was that he got to go back to America at the end of the summer. The rest of them stayed. That moment, he says, became the foundation of his politics: a deep, personal understanding that success is not a matter of deserving it, but of the accident of birth.
The Structural View of Health and Failure
El-Sayed’s political worldview is built on a structural analysis of how American institutions create and perpetuate inequality. This is not an abstract posture; it emerged directly from his clinical experience as a doctor. He describes a patient—a Black woman with a brain bleed, full-blown AIDS, and a history of alcohol dependence—whom he fought to admit and treat for two weeks. He arranged rehab and housing, only for her to choose to leave with her daughter. Days later, he found her passed out on a subway bench. The resident who had initially refused to treat her had been right: the system is not built to help such patients.
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- 1 (01:40) **Family and Immigration Story** - Abdul El-Sayed recounts his family's journey from Egypt to America, including his father's escape from political repression and his stepmother's lineage back to Abigail Adams.
- 2 (09:09) **Formative Trip to Egypt as an Adolescent** - El-Sayed describes being sent to Egypt at age 13 and experiencing a profound shift in perspective about luck, opportunity, and responsibility.
- 3 (16:50) **9/11 and the Experience of Being Muslim in America** - El-Sayed describes how the attacks transformed his identity and his brother's, forcing him into a role of constant explanation and representation.
- 4 (21:06) **Insider/Outsider Experience in American Institutions** - El-Sayed discusses the duality of being a high-achieving student and athlete while also facing racism and slurs.
- 5 (25:55) **From Clinical Medicine to Public Health** - El-Sayed explains his pivot from being a doctor to focusing on the structural failures of the healthcare system.
- 6 (38:56) **The Case for Medicare for All** - El-Sayed lays out his core critique of the American healthcare system and the structural case for single-payer reform.
- 7 (49:55) **The Costco Model for Drug Pricing** - El-Sayed proposes a 15% profit cap for pharmaceutical companies, arguing that most risky research is already publicly funded by the NIH.
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Show Notes
Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, the Democratic nominee for Senate in Michigan, has been one of the most argued-over candidates this election cycle.
If he wins, he’d be the first-ever Muslim senator, and he’s faced a torrent of attacks about his faith. The race has also become a proving ground for a lot of questions about the Democratic Party and its future: What should U.S. policy toward Israel and the Palestinians be? Is the future of health care reform Medicare for all? Can a left-wing populist win in a state that twice voted for Donald Trump?
There’s been so much more heat than light in this race, so I wanted to invite El-Sayed on the show for a longer conversation. We talked about his upbringing, his views on U.S. foreign policy, his work on health care reform and what he would actually do if elected in November.
Mentioned:
“Medicare for All: A Citizen’s Guide” by Abdul El-Sayed and Micah Johnson
“A Radical Vision for Israelis and Palestinians,” with Rula Hardal and May Pundak on The Ezra Klein Show
Book Recommendations:
“The Best and the Brightest” by David Halberstam
“Amusing Ourselves to Death” by Neil Postman
“The Sum of Us” by Heather McGhee
“The Autobiography of Malcolm X” by Malcom X, as told to Alex Haley
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].
You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html
This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Kate Sinclair and Kelsey Lannin. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota, Isaac Jones and Pat McCusker. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Marina King a
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