The Economics of Everyday Things
The Economics of Everyday Things

Amazon Was Supposed to Kill the Bookstore. James Daunt Had Other Plans | Better in Person

September 17, 2026

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James Daunt, the CEO of Barnes & Noble and Waterstones, walked into the corporate headquarters of a failing 300-store chain with a radical idea: stop telling the stores what to do. As a small independent bookseller who had never run a large business, he knew that the central office was spending millions dictating uniform merchandising to every location. His solution was to fire most of the home office and let each store run itself. This conversation with Steven Dubner explores the psychology and practical principles behind that counterintuitive approach.

The Principle of Long-Term Quality Over Short-Term Gain

Daunt’s core philosophy is simple and old-fashioned: “quality will out,” and you should never sacrifice the medium and long term for the short term. He attributes the near-collapse of Waterstones before his arrival to leaders who were “always pursuing the short term and getting fixated on the short term and then being locked into another spiral of downward short term decisions.” This fixation, he argues, came from both ownership pressures and a “pursuit of glory.” The result was a boring, uniform chain that was expensive to run and dispiriting for its employees. His approach was the opposite: he knew his own small bookstore had taken five years to become successful, and he was willing to apply that same patience to a much larger scale.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:00) **Episode Introduction** - Steven Dubner introduces the new video show *Better in Person* and today's guest, Barnes & Noble CEO James Daunt.
  • 2 (01:28) **From Banker to Bookseller** - Daunt describes his unlikely path from a J.P. Morgan job in New York to opening a small independent bookshop in London.
  • 3 (05:14) **The Principle of "Quality Will Out"** - Daunt articulates the core business philosophy he applied to revive two failing chains.
  • 4 (08:25) **The Unlikely Takeover of Waterstones** - Daunt explains how a small independent owner came to buy a massive, bankrupt national chain.
  • 5 (10:41) **Firing the Home Office** - Daunt's first radical move was to dismantle the central corporate structure that dictated operations to every store.
  • 6 (12:49) **Why Barnes & Noble Had to Be Saved** - Daunt explains the strategic reason he wanted to revive the American chain, driven by fear of a publishing duopoly.
  • 7 (14:06) **The Bookstore vs. The Algorithm** - Walking through a Barnes & Noble, Daunt argues that a physical bookstore offers something an algorithm cannot replicate.

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Show Notes

He started with one small shop in London. He has since resuscitated both Barnes & Noble and Waterstones. In this episode of Stephen Dubner’s new TV talk show, James Daunt tells Stephen exactly how he does it.


 

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