What the World’s Richest and Most Powerful People Get Wrong (with Stephanie Ruhle)
September 12, 2026
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5 min readStephanie Ruhle spent nearly 15 years in investment banking before moving into journalism, where she has interviewed everyone from Donald Trump to Jamie Dimon. In this conversation with Ryan Holiday, she draws on that vantage point to explain what money can and cannot do, why the most successful people often become the least free, and how the pursuit of power can hollow people out from the inside.
The Cushion, Not the Cure
Ruhle is precise about what money buys. It does not buy happiness, but it buys freedom and, crucially, a cushion. The people most vulnerable to abuse and harassment at work, she notes, are those in the lowest-paying jobs who cannot afford to walk away. Money provides the leverage to say no, to pivot, or to take a risk without falling into ruin. Ruhle herself took a 90% pay cut when she left banking for television—a move she could make only because she had saved aggressively during her high-earning years.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:00) **Introduction: The Illusion of Power and Freedom** - Ryan Holiday sets up the Stoic theme that wealth and power often become forms of captivity, not liberation.
- 2 (06:15) **What Problems Can Money Actually Solve?** - Stephanie Ruhle draws a sharp line between money's ability to buy freedom and its inability to buy happiness.
- 3 (11:02) **The Unsexy Power of Risk Management** - Ryan and Stephanie explore the practical wisdom of pursuing a dream without blowing up your life.
- 4 (15:08) **The Embarrassment of Pursuing a Dream** - A candid look at the social cost of putting yourself out there.
- 5 (17:36) **The Golden Handcuffs of Success** - Why the pursuit of wealth can make you less free, not more.
- 6 (20:56) **Politicians: The Reverse of Businesspeople** - A comparison of how power corrupts differently in business versus politics.
- 7 (27:30) **The Corruption of Incentives in the Current Era** - How the current political and business climate is breaking down traditional guardrails.
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Show Notes
Stephanie Ruhle has spent her career with a front-row seat to some of the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world. In today’s episode, she talks with Ryan about what they often misunderstand about success, what happens when having everything still isn’t enough, and the cost of staying at the top.
Before becoming a journalist, Stephanie Ruhle spent 14 years working in finance. She later joined Bloomberg Television, hosted The 11th Hour, and now hosts Money, Power, Politics with Stephanie Ruhle on MS NOW.
Watch Money, Power, Politics with Stephanie Ruhle on MS NOW!
Watch Stephanie Ruhle interview Ryan at The 92nd Street Y: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGXvQqurY-Y
Follow Stephanie Ruhle on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stephruhle/?hl=en
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