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5 min readHow To Love Your Country Without Lying About It
Ty Seidule, a retired U.S. Army general and historian, spent 36 years in uniform and has thought deeply about what it means to love a country enough to tell the truth about it. The central question he wrestles with is not whether America's past contains shameful episodes—it does—but whether honest history requires us to abandon the idea of national heroes altogether. His answer is a firm no, and the distinction he draws between history and commemoration is the framework that makes that answer work.
The Difference Between History and Commemoration
Seidule insists that we confuse two separate activities at our peril. History, he says, "is about investigation and study and recording what happened." It belongs in classrooms, museums, and books. Commemoration, by contrast, "is about inspiration. It's about your values." Statues outside courthouses, military base names, and official holidays are not neutral historical records—they are statements about who a community chooses to honor in the present.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:00) **Introduction: Juneteenth and the Gap Between Words and Deeds** - Ryan opens with a Juneteenth reflection, contrasting the ideal of freedom with the reality of slavery in both Rome and America, and quoting Marcus Aurelius and Theodore Roosevelt on the need for deeds over words.
- 2 (07:45) **Identifying with Heroes, Not Villains** - Ryan and Ty discuss how studying history honestly reveals heroes to aspire to, not shame.
- 3 (09:35) **Finding American Heroes to Honor** - Ty argues that American history is full of people worth celebrating, like Robert Smalls and Dr. Mary Walker, who expanded the country's promise.
- 4 (11:05) **The History of Removing Statues and Names** - Ryan and Ty discuss that removing monuments is not a modern idea, citing examples from ancient Rome, the American Revolution, and West Point.
- 5 (12:57) **The Purpose of Confederate Monuments** - Ty explains that Confederate monuments outside courthouses were erected to enforce white supremacy after Reconstruction, not to preserve history.
- 6 (15:05) **Closing Reflection** - Ryan notes that the county he lives in was one of the few in Texas that voted against secession, tying back to the theme of loving the country by telling the truth about it.
- 7 Standout Quotes
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Show Notes
Today in the US, we celebrate Juneteenth, the commemoration of the emancipation of slaves in America. It’s wonderful to note the moments of historical progress like Juneteenth. But we have to remember that beautiful language pales in comparison to beautiful acts.
In today’s episode, Ryan talks with General Ty Seidule about memory, monuments, and what it means to tell the truth about the past. They discuss the difference between memory and nostalgia, why commemoration should reflect our values, and how American history is full of heroes worth honoring.
Ty Seidule served in the U.S. Army for more than three decades, retiring in 2020 as a brigadier general. He is a professor emeritus of history at West Point and received its distinguished faculty award. In 2021, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin appointed Seidule to the Congressional Naming Commission tasked with redesignating Department of Defense assets which honor Confederates, where he was elected vice chair.
Follow Ty on Instagram | @tyseidule
📚 Books Mentioned:
Robert E. Lee and Me: A Southerner’s Reckoning with the Myth of the Lost Cause
A Promise Delivered: Ten American Heroes and the Battle to Rename Our Nation’s Military Bases
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