Sarah Matthews and Jason Horowitz: Trump Propaganda and Italian Fascism
September 23, 2026
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5 min readThe White House Press Pool, Italian Fascism, and the Bulwark Pope
When Sarah Matthews was deputy White House press secretary in the first Trump administration, the press pool operated under a simple logic: a rotating group of about 15 to 20 reporters from different outlets followed the president's movements each day, then shared what they saw with the broader press corps. The system existed because you cannot fit hundreds of credentialed journalists into the Oval Office or onto Air Force One. More importantly, it existed because the White House has every incentive to be selective about what it shares with the public. "They can tell you here's what happened when the cameras were off," Matthews said. "Here's who walked into this meeting or left this meeting."
That system has been dismantled. Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt took control of the pool rotation away from the White House Correspondents Association early in Trump's second term, deciding which outlets got seats. Then the administration banned Politico, CNN, and MSNBC from White House access entirely. Matthews sees this as a deliberate layering of propaganda: the White House invites in friendly "new media" outlets like OAN and Newsmax while ejecting independent ones, then launches its own streaming platform. "We're not there yet," she said, "but that is the trajectory this is going."
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What you'll learn
- 1 Trump Propaganda and Italian Fascism: A Navigation Outline
- 2 Main Outline
- 3 (02:14) **Sarah Matthews on the White House Press Pool Crackdown** - Former deputy press secretary explains how the Trump administration is seizing control of independent media access
- 4 (06:44) **Trump TV and the Slippery Slope to State Media** - The administration's new streaming platform is the latest step toward full authoritarian-style propaganda
- 5 (09:29) **Hopium Check: The Texas Poll That Shifts Everything** - A legitimate pollster shows Talarico up 6 points over Ken Paxton in an R+19 state
- 6 (11:51) **Vibe Check from Inside the GOP** - Sarah's private conversations with current Republican operatives reveal deep disillusionment
- 7 (14:00) **The Republican Identity Flip: Trump vs. Party** - A new poll shows Republican voters now identify more with the party than with Trump for the first time
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Show Notes
The cozy White House Correspondents' Dinner, where Trump joked around with reporters, was only in July. But now he's ripping away press credentials and setting up state-run media. Sarah scolds the WHCA for bending the knee to Trump to begin with. And recent Italian history even foreshadowed the Trump era. Jason, in his new book, explains how Silvio Berlusconi learned how to become the central character in the media. The more he was talked about, the more powerful he became—and the more his opposition became trapped. Plus: a case study of Giorgia Meloni, her love of the hobbits, her opposition to Trump, and the rise of far-right populism in Italy. Also, a little hopium for Texas turning blue. And today's Republicans will always choose power over the interests of women.
Sarah Matthews and The New York Times' Jason Horowitz join Tim Miller.
show notes:
- Brendan on watching six straight hours of Trump TV
- Sarah on MAGA world trying to save Max Miller
- Jason's new book, "The Italian Job"
- Catch Tim's TNL rant on George W. Bush
- Nicole Bassett's Oregeon state senate campaign site
- BJ's Lounge in NOLA
- Go to https://zbiotics.com/thebulwark and use THEBULWARK at checkout for 15% off any first time orders of ZBiotics probiotics.
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