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Chuck Klosterman on the Cinema Revival, Sports Tsars, Owners and Commissioners, Analytics, U.S. Soccer Groundhog Day, and State of Reading

July 12, 2026

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The Sports Tsar, the Cinema Revival, and the Groundhog Day of U.S. Soccer

Chuck Klosterman and Bill Simmons have been having these sprawling conversations for nearly two decades, and this one covers everything from why the U.S. can't crack soccer's elite to the evolution of sports ownership, the limits of analytics, the resurrection of movie theaters, and the slow erosion of reading. The throughline is a question about cultural momentum: which things can a society will into existence, and which are simply beyond its control?

The U.S. Soccer Groundhog Day

Every four years, the same cycle repeats: hope, disappointment, and a national conversation about why the United States can't dominate the world's most popular sport. Simmons describes it as "groundhog day" since the 2000s, though Klosterman notes the conversations have become more serious and less jokey over time. The real puzzle is structural and cultural, not just about athletic talent.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (03:11) **U.S. Soccer Groundhog Day** - Klosterman and Simmons debate why the U.S. can't become a soccer superpower, despite growing popularity.
  • 2 (28:33) **The Case for a “Sports Czar”** - Simmons and Klosterman discuss the need for a centralized authority to oversee American sports, from youth leagues to pro governance.
  • 3 (33:20) **Commissioners, Owners, and the Corleone Trap** - Simmons argues commissioners start idealistic but become business-first, using Adam Silver and the NBA’s second apron as a case study.
  • 4 (54:51) **The Five Eras of Sports Owners** - Simmons breaks down the evolution of team ownership from local businessmen to today’s mega-wealthy consortiums.
  • 5 (67:46) **The Cinema Revival and the Luxury Movie Experience** - Simmons and Klosterman discuss the post-COVID resurgence of movie theaters and the potential for premium pricing.
  • 6 (88:11) **The Ringer’s Impact on Movie Culture** - Klosterman argues that *The Rewatchables* and *The Big Picture* have created a new aesthetic for consuming film, for better or worse.
  • 7 (100:51) **The State of Reading and the Erosion of Imagination** - Klosterman and Simmons discuss the decline of reading and how it affects imagination and learning.

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Show Notes

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Chuck Klosterman to discuss why soccer has not taken off in the U.S. the same way other sports have. Then, they talk sports commissioners, eras of owners, evolving ticket prices for movies, and much more!


(0:00) Intro

(2:25) Soccer in the U.S.

(33:19) Sports commissioners and eras of owners

(01:07:04) Ticket prices for movies and more


Host: Bill Simmons

Guest: Chuck Klosterman

Producers: Chia Hao Tat and Eduardo Ocampo


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