UFO Disclosure or Disinformation? Grusch 3 Years On, Elizondo, Erdman & the NDAA

July 28, 2026

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Three Years After Grusch: Progress, Frustration, and the State of UFO Disclosure

On July 26, 2023, David Grusch testified under oath before Congress that the U.S. government operates a decades-long crash retrieval and reverse engineering program involving "non-human biologics." Three years and one day later, the UFO community finds itself in a strange place: more politically organized than ever, yet increasingly fractured and frustrated by the gap between promises and proof.

The Legislative Path Forward

The most concrete development is the UAP Disclosure Act amendment, championed by Congressman Eric Burleson, which passed the House as part of the NDAA. This is a genuine step forward—previous attempts didn't even reach the floor. But as Pavel from Sequo Activo Podcast notes, "it still hasn't passed in the Senate," and a vote isn't expected until December. Burleson appears optimistic, claiming he has vocal support from senators including Mike Rounds and Chuck Schumer, but the hosts remain cautious.

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What you'll learn

1 UFO Disclosure or Disinformation? Grusch 3 Years On, Elizondo, Erdman & the NDAA
2 Timestamped Outline
3 (03:09) **Episode Introduction & Host Check-In** - Andy and Pavel open the Monday live stream, catching up on weekend events and Comic Con experiences
4 (06:27) **The State of the UFO Community: Frustration & Implosion** - Pavel and Andy diagnose the community's deteriorating mood three years after Grusch's testimony
5 (13:51) **Content Creation, Sensationalism & The Drama Problem** - The hosts discuss how the UFO content ecosystem rewards sensationalism over substance
6 (23:49) **Eric Burleson, Trump's NDA Waiver & the UAPDA Progress** - The hosts play and analyze Burleson's radio interview about the NDA waiver and the legislative path forward
7 (28:31) **AARO's Troubled Reputation & The Whistleblower Pathway Problem** - The hosts examine why whistleblowers remain reluctant to approach official channels despite the NDA waiver

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Guests on this episode

David Grusch Jeremy Corbell

Show Notes

Andy is joined by Pavel from the Psychoactivo Podcast to take stock of a UFO topic caught between apparent political progress, persistent secrecy and growing frustration.

Three years after David Grusch’s historic congressional testimony about recovered craft and non-human biologics, has disclosure meaningfully moved forward, or are we still treading water?

They examine Eric Burlison’s latest comments on whistleblowers and the UAP Disclosure Act, what the announcement about waiving UAP-related NDAs actually changes, and why permission to speak is not the same as genuine legal protection.

Also discussed: former CIA officer James Erdman III’s warning about disinformation, counterintelligence and grift within the UFO subject; Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp’s role in the current disclosure effort; the frustration surrounding promised evidence and unreleased material; and reported comments from Lue Elizondo involving Knapp.

Plus, listener questions on managed transparency, Donald Trump’s interest in disclosure, the Nazca mummies, media sensationalism and whether the UFO community’s biggest problem is now secrecy, personalities or the continued lack of undeniable evidence.

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