Lenval Logan: “We’ve Seen Better” | Grusch, UAP Footage & The Phenom App

October 9, 2026

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Lenval Logan spent years inside the UAP Task Force as an Air Force intelligence analyst, working alongside figures like David Grusch and Jay Stratton. In this conversation, he reflects on Grusch’s recent Joe Rogan interview, the limits of what the public has been shown, and the darker corners of the phenomenon that rarely get discussed. He also shares a personal encounter he had kept quiet for decades. Later, his colleague Matt Stevens joins to explain the Phenom app, a citizen science platform designed to collect verifiable UAP data while protecting experiencers.

Grusch’s Rogan interview: old conversations, new confirmations

Logan was the person who first took Grusch’s call when the major wanted to get involved with the task force. He describes Grusch as someone who had clearances above his own and was connected directly to Jay Stratton. Watching the Rogan interview, Logan says he was not surprised by most of what Grusch said. “Everything he said, I kind of… I won’t say we knew specifically. What I would say is in the past some of these things had been discussed.” The association of reptilian beings with tic-tac-shaped craft, for example, had been water-cooler talk among analysts for years. “I didn’t know that there was something definitive there. I always thought it was just one of those things that we had proposed.” Logan stresses that Grusch has no obvious reason to l

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1 (04:06) **Welcome & Setting the Stage** - Andy welcomes back Lenval Logan, a retired USAF intelligence analyst and former UAP Task Force member, to catch up on the state of UAP disclosure.
2 (05:14) **Grusch on Rogan: Comfort & Evolution** - Logan analyzes David Grusch's second major public interview, contrasting it with his first.
3 (11:07) **Surprising Grusch Claims: Reptilians & Craft Matches** - Logan reacts to Grusch's specific associations between NHI types and craft shapes.
4 (15:08) **The Dark Underbelly: Crime, Trafficking & NHI** - The discussion turns to the darkest implications of the phenomenon, including criminal activity and child trafficking linked to UAP programs.
5 (22:21) **NHI Conflict & Hierarchies** - Logan explores Grusch's suggestion of conflict between different NHI groups, speculating on their motives and power structures.
6 (30:50) **Logan’s Task Force Work: Videos & Analysis** - Logan describes his daily workflow reviewing UAP footage and the importance of combining classified and unclassified data.
7 (36:20) **NASA’s Denial & Presidential Authority** - Logan critiques former NASA Administrator Bill Nelson’s dismissive response to Grusch’s claims, questioning the agency’s transparency.

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Show Notes

Former UAP Task Force member and retired U.S. Air Force intelligence analyst Lenval Logan returns to the podcast for a wide-ranging conversation following David Grusch’s latest appearance on Joe Rogan.

Logan reacts to Grusch’s new claims, discusses what was being talked about inside the UAP Task Force, revisits extraordinary footage he says he saw during his time working the issue, including a huge object moving underwater, and explains why he believes the recently released government UAP footage is not the best material available.

He also discusses his involvement with Jason Sands and Joe Rogan, what had and had not been vetted at the time, and shares a deeply unusual personal experience involving a mysterious blue figure that he had previously been reluctant to discuss publicly.

Later, Matt Stevens joins us to discuss the Phenom app, their attempt to build a citizen-science platform for documenting UAP sightings with verifiable video, sensor data and a clearer chain of custody in an age where AI-generated footage is becoming increasingly difficult to distinguish from the real thing.

Check out the app - https://www.thephenom.app/

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