Jay Stratton’s New Revelations, James Fox Responds & The UAP Secrecy Problem
September 29, 2026
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5 min readJay Stratton’s New Revelations, James Fox Responds & The UAP Secrecy Problem
Jay Stratton, the former head of the U.S. government's UAP investigation program, has released two excerpts from his upcoming memoir Out of the Shadows — and they describe using a nuclear submarine as bait to attract UFOs. The book, subtitled Revealing the Truth About Non-Human Intelligent Life, goes further than any previous insider account by directly claiming the existence of a crash retrieval and reverse engineering program that has been hidden for 80 years. Meanwhile, documentary filmmaker James Fox has publicly addressed his handling of the controversial Jason Sands whistleblower story, and a new Politico article has reignited questions about the CIA's role in UAP secrecy.
Jay Stratton's Book Excerpts and What They Reveal
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What you'll learn
- 1 (03:09) **Show Open & Host Introductions** - Andy and Pavo kick off the Monday co-live stream, with Pavo announcing his first day as a full-time podcaster.
- 2 (08:48) **Jay Stratton’s Book “Out of the Shadows” – First Excerpts** - The hosts read and react to the two short passages Stratton released online, focusing on a nuclear submarine baiting operation.
- 3 (13:40) **Amazon Blurb & Production Deal** - Andy reads the full Amazon description and reveals that Terrence Winters (The Sopranos) has optioned the book for a series.
- 4 (18:02) **Stratton’s Phonomicon Comments – DOPSA & Classification** - Andy shares quotes from Stratton’s appearance at Phonomicon, where he addressed the pre-publication review process.
- 5 (24:40) **Stratton’s Phonomicon Comments – Inside Knowledge & Frustration** - More quotes from the event, with Stratton positioning himself as the sole authority on official UAP investigations.
- 6 (39:52) **Stratton on Compartmentalization & FBI-CIA Tensions** - Stratton’s comment about government knowledge versus the government’s knowledge leads to a discussion of inter-agency conflict.
- 7 (48:42) **The Jay Stratton vs. Lue Elizondo Dynamic** - The hosts explore the likely friction between the two former AATIP officials.
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Show Notes
Andy and Pavel break down Jay Stratton’s latest comments ahead of Out of the Shadows, including his claim that he can reveal “a lot more than people think,” previously untold UAP events, questions over the history of AAWSAP/AATIP and why government appears to keep starting again.
Plus, James Fox addresses the controversy surrounding Jason Sands and explains what he would have done differently, while Andy and Pavel discuss witness credibility, evidence, whistleblowers, government compartmentalisation and the latest Politico reporting around UAP secrecy.
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