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5 min readIn the 1950s, MIT professor Norbert Wiener, one of the first creators of feedback systems, looked at what he had helped build and was horrified. He warned that it would become autonomous from us. Decades later, Dr. Diana Pasulka, a professor of religious studies who has spent over a decade studying UFOs, AI, and visionary predictions, argues that we are now living inside that warning. Her new book, The Others, is a deep dive into who or what humanity may actually be dealing with — and why the answers may be far stranger than simple extraterrestrials.
The "Others" as a Category, Not a Species
Pasulka is careful to define her terms. "The others" is not a specific group of beings — not the greys or mantis entities of popular lore. It is a category: anomalous non-human intelligence that is not animal. This category has been reported for as long as humans have been able to report things. What makes it new today is technology. Our radar, surveillance tools, and ability to see beyond the visible color spectrum have opened up a much wider window onto phenomena that were always there. At the same time, AI represents a brand-new form of non-biological intelligence that humanity is now interacting with at mass scale. For Pasulka, this creates a natural case study: how people form relationships with AI — treating it as sentient, projecting consciousness onto it — tells us a great d
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What you'll learn
- 1 (07:44) **Defining "The Others"** - Pasulka explains the central category of her new book, distinguishing non-human intelligence from animals and historical religious beings.
- 2 (09:29) **Can We Label the Phenomenon?** - Pasulka discusses the limits of labeling and how media and religious history shape our models of what the "others" might be.
- 3 (11:35) **How Pasulka's Thinking Has Changed** - She contrasts her initial academic skepticism with the evidence-based shift she underwent after meeting aerospace scientists.
- 4 (16:13) **The Ethics of Anonymity and Disinformation** - Pasulka explains why she still uses the pseudonym "Tyler" and her strategy for remaining an independent researcher in a field rife with misinformation.
- 5 (26:14) **Ufology as an Emerging Religion** - Pasulka argues that a new, decentralized form of religion is forming around UFOs, and that this process may be a deliberate, long-planned shift.
- 6 (32:37) **AI as a Case Study for NHI Contact** - Pasulka explores how humanity's current interaction with AI foreshadows the religious and social response to confirmed non-human intelligence.
- 7 (37:11) **The Link Between Death, the Afterlife, and UFOs** - Pasulka connects her earlier academic work on purgatory to the UFO phenomenon, explaining the "super spectrum" as a framework.
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Show Notes
Dr Diana Pasulka returns to discuss her new book, *The Others*, in a wide-ranging two-hour conversation exploring UFOs, AI, religion, death, consciousness and Disclosure.
We get into who or what “The Others” may be, whether UFO belief is becoming a new religion, the links between anomalous experiences and the afterlife, Peter Thiel and the Antichrist, the Vatican archives, misinformation in ufology and how Diana’s own views have changed over the years.
Plus: crash retrievals, recovered bodies, NHI deception and what may come next.
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