What you'll learn

• 1 (00:00) **Introduction & Guest Lineup** - François Sorel opens the special episode celebrating Apple's 50th anniversary (April 1, 1976–2026), introducing guests Pascal Cagny, Jean-Louis Gassée, Frédéric Simottel, and teasing an exclusive interview with Tony Fadell.
• 2 (03:10) **Jean-Louis Gassée: Early Apple & Steve Jobs** - Gassée recalls being hired in 1980, his first meeting with Steve Jobs in February 1981, and Jobs' personality as a "hippie converti."
• 3 (10:20) **Apple's Founding & Early Products** - The narrative covers the 1976 founding by Jobs, Wozniak, and Ronald Wayne, the Apple I, and the company's early trajectory.
• 4 (14:52) **Apple's Culture & Philosophy** - Pascal Cagny discusses Apple's unique culture, blending technology, culture, and creativity, as exemplified by the "Think Different" campaign and the "bicycle of the mind" concept.
• 5 (21:31) **The 1985 Coup & Steve Jobs' Departure** - Jean-Louis Gassée recounts the attempted putsch against John Sculley by Steve Jobs, which failed, leading to Jobs' ouster from Apple.
• 6 (26:55) **Steve Jobs' Return & The iMac** - The discussion moves to Jobs' return in 1997, the acquisition of NeXT, and the launch of the iMac, marking Apple's greatest turnaround.
• 7 (29:47) **Apple's Soul Today & Future** - Pascal Cagny argues Apple's soul remains, citing the iPhone's massive installed base and potential for AI, while Jean-Louis Gassée and Luc Julia offer more critical views.

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