Anne Lise Marstrand-Jørgensen

November 23, 2023

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Anne Lise Marstrand-Jørgensen was diagnosed with depression at 12 and put on medication, but in her early twenties she decided to stop. Not because she was cured, but because she refused to accept the story that her condition was a fixed, lifelong sentence. “I got an inner image of having links around my feet,” she says, “and that the links were about a mercantile, that others put on me.” The decision to reject the psychiatric framework—and the medication that came with it—was the beginning of a long, painful process of learning to live with her anxiety rather than fight it. That process, and the view of human nature it rests on, is the core of this conversation.

The choice to meet the darkness

Marstrand-Jørgensen describes her childhood as marked by an unnamed dread. She had nightmares from age two or three, compulsive behaviors, and a pervasive fear that something would happen to her mother. She sat by the wall at gatherings, feeling that she did not belong. But she also had an inner world—a fantasy world, time alone in nature, a rowboat—where she felt safe. “That safe space,” she says, “is a space where I am in harmony with myself in a deeper way.”

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What you'll learn

1 (00:06) **Introduction & Guest Setup** - Host Sørine Godfredsen introduces the theme of the dark voice inside us and welcomes author Anne Lise Marstrand-Jørgensen.
2 (01:46) **The Prejudice: "You Insist People Are Fundamentally Good"** - Sørine presents a written prejudice: that Anne Lise insists people are fundamentally good, even knowing it's not true.
3 (03:10) **Childhood Origins of the Dark Voice** - Anne Lise describes her earliest memories of anxiety and depression, from age 2-3.
4 (05:19) **A Deep Fear of Abandonment** - The anxiety was less about her own death and more about the death of others, especially after becoming a mother.
5 (06:05) **Feeling Wrong and the Inner Safe Space** - As a child, Anne Lise felt she didn't belong and was "across in life," but found a safe, free inner world.
6 (09:20) **The Safe Space as a Conversation with God** - Anne Lise describes her childhood conversations with God as a silent, wordless exchange that offered guidance and hope.
7 (11:27) **The Strategy of Trust and Resistance** - Sørine asks where the power comes from to decide to give the "opponent" a chance.

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Guests on this episode

Sørine Godfredsen

Show Notes

Forfatter Anne Lise Marstrand-Jørgensen har kæmpet med svær angst og depression det meste af sin barndom. Først da en psykiater fortæller den 20-årige Anne Lise Marstrand-Jørgensen, at hun skal forvente at være medicineret resten af sit liv, beslutter hun sig for, at det skal være løgn. Med Gud som en fast støtte lykkedes det hende at trodse lægens dom, og i dag lever hun et liv uden sygdom og medicin.