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Encore: Why psychopathy is more common than you think, with Abigail Marsh, PhD

August 12, 2026

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In 2022, psychologist Abigail Marsh told the story of the stranger who saved her life. Her car had spun out on a dark freeway overpass and stalled in the fast lane. She was sure she was about to be hit. Then a man appeared, ran across the freeway, got her car running, and disappeared into the night. That moment set her on a path to study not just psychopathy, but its opposite: people who donate kidneys to strangers. Marsh’s research suggests that both extremes sit on a single “caring continuum,” and that most of us are somewhere in the middle.

What psychopathy actually is

Psychopathy is a personality construct, not a formal diagnosis in the DSM. It is defined by three clusters of traits: callousness (insensitivity to others’ suffering), a bold and fearless interpersonal style, and disinhibition (poor impulse control). The most famous diagnostic tool, the Psychopathy Checklist (PCL-R), was developed in an all-male prison population, which means it may miss how psychopathy manifests in women and non-criminal settings. In women, for example, psychopathic traits are more likely to show up as social aggression, emotional bullying, and manipulation rather than physical violence.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:00) **Episode Introduction & Guest Welcome** - Host Kim Mills introduces the topic, guest Dr. Abigail Marsh, and her research on psychopathy and extreme altruism.
  • 2 (03:24) **Defining Psychopathy: The Core Traits** - Marsh explains the three-part personality construct that defines psychopathy.
  • 3 (05:15) **Psychopathy vs. Official Diagnoses (DSM)** - Why psychopathy is not an official DSM diagnosis and how it differs from antisocial personality disorder.
  • 4 (08:28) **Treating Children at Risk** - The challenges and effective approaches for helping children with psychopathic traits and their parents.
  • 5 (14:21) **Can You Teach Fear and Remorse?** - The difficulty and lack of resources for treating the core emotional deficits of psychopathy.
  • 6 (18:37) **Causes: Brain Differences & Genetics** - Marsh discusses the neurobiology and heritability of psychopathy.
  • 7 (22:48) **Psychopathy vs. Sociopathy** - Marsh clarifies the distinction between the scientific term and the popular term.

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Show Notes

Most of us think we know what a psychopath looks like. The word brings to mind images of horror movies and criminals. But psychopathy is far more common than most people realize, and actually hard to recognize in other people. Abigail Marsh, PhD, of Georgetown University, discusses what researchers have learned about the causes of psychopathy and effective treatments for it, how to recognize psychopathy in those around you, and her work exploring the emotional processes and the brain differences that underlie both psychopathy and its opposite, extraordinary altruism.

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