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Birth Rates Are Low. Can A “Fertility President” Fix That?

July 21, 2026

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“I will not stop after twelve if I still have a uterus, but we’ll see how long that lasts.” That is Simone Collins, who with her husband Malcolm has five children, hopes for twelve, and is a leading voice in the pronatalist movement — the push to reverse demographic collapse by making America procreate again. On Smart Girl Dumb Questions, host Nayeema Raza sits down with the Collinses, Stanford business school graduates who have pitched executive orders to the Trump White House, drafted proposals for “motherhood medals,” and built a media strategy that deliberately weaponizes outrage. The conversation is less a policy debate than a live dissection of how the culture war is fought online — and what it costs.

The Pronatalist Diagnosis

The Collinses argue that falling birth rates are not a niche concern but an existential threat to civilization. They frame the problem not as a simple lack of children, but as a collapse in the kind of children being born — specifically, high-taxpaying, high-IQ children in wealthy post-industrial societies. “The real problem, at least originally, was with falling fertility rates with things like social security, the tax system,” Malcolm says. “They weren’t worried about people. They were worried about taxpayers.”

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  • 1 Timestamped Outline: Birth Rates Are Low. Can A “Fertility President” Fix That?
  • 2 (00:52) **Introducing the Pronatalist Movement** - Host Nayeema Raza sets up the conversation with Malcolm and Simone Collins, controversial figures in the pronatalist movement who have pitched executive orders to the Trump White House
  • 3 (05:56) **The Collins' Origin Story and "Love on the Spectrum"** - Simone, who is on the spectrum, explains how she went from not wanting children to planning a large family
  • 4 (08:50) **World Domination as a Life Goal** - Malcolm explains why wanting to dominate the world is "practical" and "natural"
  • 5 (12:26) **The Stay-at-Home Dad Solution** - The Collins argue that men stepping up as primary caregivers is key to solving the fertility crisis
  • 6 (13:03) **Defining Pronatalism: Accountability for Unborn Lives** - The Collins explain their controversial view that people are accountable for lives they don't bring into the world
  • 7 (16:16) **Access to the Trump White House** - The Collins discuss their drafted executive orders and meetings with the administration

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Show Notes

And does it even need to be fixed? In this episode Nayeema tries to understand whether demographic collapse is a crisis or a con job. She sits down with Malcolm and Simone Collins, a New Right pronatalist couple with ties to the Heritage Foundation and Elon Musk and policy drafts being submitted for White House consideration. They have 5 kids, 30 embryos on ice and aspirations to keep going til Simone’s uterus “falls out”.

On the agenda: why aren’t people having kids (is it a modern marriage crisis, does picking embryos based on IQ make you a eugenicist, and in a movement that intersects with racist overtones are the Collins interested in drawing a line in the sand or in co-opting controversy in their aspirations of fame? Also: how does one afford five to twelve kids anyway?

Whether you think they're visionaries or completely off the rails, this is one conversation you won't forget.

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