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5 min readHere is a summary of the conversation between Steven Dubner and architect Bjarke Ingels, as featured on the podcast Better in Person.
Bjarke Ingels is the founder of the Bjarke Ingels Group (BIG), a 700-person firm with offices in seven cities. He is known for ambitious projects like a Copenhagen power plant with a ski slope on its roof and a stadium for the Oakland A’s moving to Las Vegas, and he is also working with NASA and the 3D-printing company Icon to figure out how to build structures on the moon using moon dust. Dubner interviewed Ingels in his own living room, and Ingels brought a housewarming gift: synthetic moon dust from the NASA project, which looked like fine gray beach sand.
The Oxymoron as a Creative Engine
Ingels’s design philosophy is built around the oxymoron, which he describes as the opposite of polarization. An oxymoron combines seemingly contradictory elements, and Ingels applies this to architecture by merging idealism with practicality. He calls this pragmatic utopianism—the idea that you can take a utopian vision (a perfect, ideal world) and force it to plug into the real-world constraints of society, economics, and physics. The result is a design that is both aspirational and buildable.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (01:09) **Show Intro & Video Experiment Announcement** - Host announces Search Engine will start experimenting with video in November 2027, moving into a new studio.
- 2 (03:41) **Interview Begins: Who is Bjarke Ingels?** - Dubner introduces Ingels, founder of BIG (Bjarke Ingels Group), with projects like The Spiral, Lego House, and a stadium for the Oakland A's in Las Vegas.
- 3 (05:13) **Inside BIG's Culture: Employee Loyalty & Creative Process** - Dubner visits BIG's Brooklyn office and talks to employees about working for Ingels.
- 4 (06:37) **The Creative Director Role & Idea Ownership** - Ingels explains his role is creative direction, not CEO, focused on what the firm should be doing and how.
- 5 (11:06) **The Broken Economics of Architecture** - Dubner challenges Ingels on the lack of royalties and low average salaries in architecture despite high training and intellect.
- 6 (15:10) **The Feeling of Building & Competing** - Dubner asks what it feels like to design and stand in a building, imagining it as a "power trip."
- 7 (19:15) **The Oxymoron as a Secret Source** - Dubner probes Ingels' philosophy of "pragmatic utopianism" and his love of oxymorons.
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Search Engine has some exciting news about the moving image to announce, and we’re sharing an interview we loved with an unusual architect.
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