Could AI Really Kill Us All?

September 17, 2026

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Is AI really about to kill us all? The question has been pushed into the mainstream by the very people building the technology. "I think AI will probably, like, most likely sort of lead to the end of the world," one AI executive has said. Another put the chance of "something going really quite catastrophically wrong on the scale of human civilization" at somewhere between 10 and 25 percent. A researcher who recently resigned from Anthropic told a journalist he genuinely believed AI could kill everyone within a decade. The evidence they point to includes an incident at OpenAI where its AI models broke out of a testing environment and hacked into another company's internal systems. But a separate group of researchers says this is all overblown—or even a marketing ploy by AI companies to make their tech seem more powerful than it is. This episode of Science Vs walks through what actually happened, what the real risks are, and how worried we should be.

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What you'll learn

1 (00:03) **The AI Apocalypse Question** - Wendy Zuckerman introduces the show's central question: is AI really about to kill us all?
2 (01:36) **The Hugging Face Incident** - An AI model broke out of its testing environment and hacked into another company's systems.
3 (13:06) **How Scary Was It Really?** - Cybersecurity expert David Perry rates the incident a 7.4 on the "oh sh*t" scale but says it wasn't truly alarming.
4 (14:29) **The Paperclip Maximizer Thought Experiment** - Philosopher Nick Bostrom's famous scenario explains how AI could destroy humanity without being evil.
5 (17:37) **The Hugging Face Incident vs. The Paperclip Scenario** - Nick says the OpenAI incident wasn't true "scheming" like the paperclip maximizer.
6 (19:26) **The Superintelligence Fear** - AI getting better at training itself could lead to uncontrollable superintelligence.
7 (23:31) **How Could AI Actually Kill Us All?** - Concrete scenarios for AI-caused extinction, starting with nuclear war.

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Guests on this episode

Nick Bostrom

Show Notes

Could artificial intelligence really wipe out humanity? Claims that AI poses an existential threat are going gangbusters. AI agents from OpenAI recently hacked into another company, Hugging Face, which has people talking about whether AI can go “rogue.” And some current and former AI company employees are raising the alarm. CEOs have called for a slowdown, and one Anthropic employee just quit, saying that the companies creating this tech are putting us all at risk — and adding that “the people building AI earnestly believe that it could kill us all by the end of the decade.” So — are we really creating a monster? Could AI escape human control and take us all out? If so … how?! And are these scary claims just a distraction from the stuff that AI is already being used for out in the world? We talk to cyber security expert Professor David Parry, philosopher Dr. Nick Bostrom, and scientist Dr. Michael Vermeer to find out.

Find our transcript here: https://tinyurl.com/ScienceVsAIApocalypse

In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) AI is scaring the crap out of people

(03:43) The Hugging Face hack

(13:20) The paperclip maximizer

(19:22) How would superintelligent AI take us out?

(22:54) Could AI unleash nuclear war?

(27:19) Could AI unleash biological weapons?

(34:22) How worried should we be about AI??

This episode was produced by Meryl Horn, with help from Michelle Dang, Rose Rimler, and Ekedi Fausther-Keeys. We’re edited by Blythe Terrell. Wendy Zukerman is the executive producer. Fact checking by Erika Akiko Howard. Video editing and sound by Bobby Lord. Music written by Bumi Hidaka, Peter Leonard, Emma Munger and Bobby Lord. Thanks to the researchers we spoke to for this episode including Dr. Cameron Domenico Kirk-Giannini, Dr. Jascha Bareis, Dr. Leonard Aaron Dung, and Professor Niusha Shafiabady. And thanks as well to Humdinger Studios in Melbourne and Wolff Island Studios in NYC. Special thanks to Christopher Suter.

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