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Making a case for physicists to join climate research

August 20, 2026

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In 2015, Dr. Morgan O’Neill was a graduate student at a traditional physics department, certain she would study spinning galaxies and black holes. Then she realized that the physics she was learning in class—the same complex, non-linear, beautiful physics—could make real progress in climate science. “It turned out I could do both at the same time,” she says. Now an assistant professor at the University of Toronto and chair of the American Physical Society’s group on the physics of climate, O’Neill is on a mission to recruit more traditional physicists into climate research. But the timing, she warns, could hardly be more difficult.

Why climate science is physics—and why physics departments skip it

O’Neill argues that climate change is, at its core, a physics problem. The same equations that govern the spin of a hurricane or the motion of air masses also describe the behavior of planetary atmospheres, whether on Earth or an exoplanet. Yet most undergraduate physics departments in the United States do not train students in fluid mechanics—the language of how gases and liquids respond to forces. That training is typically left to engineers. “I think that fluid dynamics should also be embraced by physics departments at the undergraduate level,” O’Neill says, “not least because the interest in climate physics among physics students is exploding.”

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:51) **Physics Meets Climate Change** - Ira introduces the idea that climate change is fundamentally a physics problem, and that Dr. Morgan O'Neill is working to bridge the traditional divide between physics and climate research.
  • 2 (01:58) **O'Neill's Origin Story: From Astrophysics to Climate** - She explains how she moved from planning to study galaxies and black holes to focusing on climate science during college.
  • 3 (03:13) **Hurricanes vs. Galaxies: A Key Distinction** - Ira asks if the physics of hurricanes can be applied to galaxies, and O'Neill clarifies the major differences.
  • 4 (04:33) **Earth is a Planet, Too** - O'Neill compares studying Earth's climate to studying other planets, arguing the underlying physics is the same.
  • 5 (05:39) **The Call for Unification** - She advocates for climate scientists and planetary scientists to see themselves as working on the same problems.
  • 6 (06:36) **O'Neill's Core Research: The Small-Scale Physics of Storms** - She describes her work on the boundary between weather and climate, focusing on extreme events like tornadoes and hurricane wind speeds.
  • 7 (08:24) **The Mission to Recruit Physicists** - O'Neill discusses her role as chair of the APS group on the physics of climate and the current challenges.

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Show Notes

When you think of physics, your mind might go to forces—like gravity, friction, and magnetism—or to astrophysics, like galaxies and exoplanets. But many of the same principles used to understand how the universe works can also be used to study Earth’s climate systems. At its core, climate change is a physics problem. But traditionally, research institutions have kept climate science and physics separate.

Morgan O’Neill has spent her career with one foot in the classical physics world and the other in climate change research. Now she’s on a mission to invite more traditional physicists into the field of climate science. She speaks with Ira about the overlaps between the two fields and why more physicists should join in on climate research.

Guest:

Dr. Morgan O’Neill is an assistant professor at the University of Toronto and chair of the American Physical Society’s group on the physics of climate.

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