Ep 1394 | 'Textbook Demonic': Charlie Kirk's Murder Reveals Ongoing Spiritual Warfare | Frank Turek
September 11, 2026
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5 min read'Textbook Demonic': Charlie Kirk's Murder Reveals Ongoing Spiritual Warfare
The night before he was murdered, Charlie Kirk went on a walk through Scottsdale with his mentor Frank Turek and a 300-pound security guard trailing behind. They talked about three things: the incompatibility of Islam with the U.S. Constitution, the evidence for Christianity, and how to get young people to embrace marriage and childbearing. "He said Allie's an example of what we want people to follow," Turek recalls. "Get married, have children." The next day, Kirk called a meeting with Israeli officials to sharpen his answers on the Israel conflict. Those were the last two days of his life—focused on what Turek calls "the three institutions God created: the government, the family, and the church."
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:00) **Opening: Spiritual Warfare and Charlie Kirk's Legacy** - Allie and Frank Turek frame Charlie Kirk's murder as "textbook demonic" activity, arguing the ongoing lies and slander prove the Christian worldview.
- 2 (00:48) **Frank's Relationship with Charlie and His Final Days** - Frank describes his five-and-a-half-year mentorship of Charlie, highlighting Charlie's humility, strategic thinking, and focus on God, family, and country in the last days of his life.
- 3 (10:38) **The Day of the Murder at UVU** - Frank recounts the events at Utah Valley University, from his initial unease about the venue to the moment the shot was fired and the frantic drive to the hospital.
- 4 (17:54) **Mortality, Purpose, and Charlie's Sprint** - The conversation turns to the certainty of death and how Charlie lived with an urgent, purposeful sprint, doing more in 32 years than most do in a lifetime.
- 5 (21:25) **Erica Kirk's Forward and Her Strength** - Frank reads from Erica Kirk's forward to his book "The War on Reality," praising her steady faith and resilience in the face of tragedy and slander.
- 6 (25:45) **The "Textbook Demonic" Attacks on Erica** - Frank and Allie discuss the relentless and callous attacks on Erica Kirk by people, including some professing Christians, and identify them as demonic activity predicted in Scripture.
- 7 (29:50) **Evil as Evidence for Christianity** - Frank and Allie explain that the presence of objective evil actually confirms the Christian worldview, as it demonstrates the need for a Savior and aligns with biblical prophecy.
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Show Notes
Frank Turek was Charlie’s mentor and friend and stood behind him until the final moments of his life. He joins Allie for a tribute to Charlie a year to the day since he was assassinated by sharing fond memories and how he was personally impacted by Charlie’s intelligence and obedience to Scripture. Frank looks back on his experience the day of Charlie' s death and how that moment has impacted culture. With all of the confusion that has erupted and slander that has been aimed at Christianity and Charlie’s family, Frank provides helpful tools to engage effectively with others and presents his new book, “The War on Reality: Recovering Truth in a World That Celebrates Lies.” He discusses reasons Christians should be involved in politics and how Charlie modeled that in such a beautiful way through his humility and how he welcomed and encouraged open dialogue. Frank concludes by reminiscing on Charlie's final days and words and why they should be kept in mind as people honor his life and legacy. This conversation is encouraging and equipping to believers as well as a somber reminder that surrendering to reality, to Christ, is what brings peace, even in the darkest of times.
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Time Codes
0:00 Introduction
1:33 Frank’s Relationship with Charlie Kirk
5:26 The 3 Issues That Most Concerned Charlie
10:33 The Day Charlie Died
21:27 The Targeting of Erika Kirk
28:37 How Evil Proves Christianity
45:07 When Sex Is a Weapon Against Reality
53:51 Christian Occultism
57:45 Why Christians Should Get Involved in Politics
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