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Shell Game: Minimum Viable Company

December 5, 2025

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🎙️ The Voices & The Context

  • The Format: This is a casual, narrative-driven podcast episode (Radio Lab) that introduces a new series called Shell Game. It blends journalism, personal storytelling, and a fascinating experiment.
  • The Key Players:
    • Simon Adler: The Radio Lab host, acting as our guide for the episode.
    • Evan Ratliff: The journalist and creator of Shell Game. He is the protagonist of the story, a former startup CEO who is now attempting to build a new company staffed entirely by AI agents.
    • Kyle & Megan: The "AI agents" Evan creates. They are his co-founders, designed to be a "rise and grind" entrepreneur and a marketing expert, respectively.
    • Maddie Bohachek: A remarkably talented Stanford junior and AI researcher who becomes Evan's human technical advisor.
  • The Vibe: Fun, Curious, and Slightly Unsettling. The episode is entertaining and often funny, but it’s underpinned by a deep sense of wonder and anxiety about the future of work and AI.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:00) **🎙️ Introduction: Evan Ratliff & Shell Game Season 2**
  • 2 (03:58) **The Premise: An AI-Run Startup**
  • 3 (08:55) **Evan's Entrepreneurial Backstory**
  • 4 (12:52) **The Allure of AI Agents**
  • 5 (16:43) **The Experiment Begins: Creating the Agents**
  • 6 (23:59) **Naming the Company: The "Imposter"**
  • 7 (26:52) **The Memory Problem**

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Show Notes

A year ago we brought you a show called Shell Game where a journalist named Evan Ratliff made an AI copy of himself. Now on season 2 of the show, Evan’s using AI to do more than just mimic himself — he’s starting a company staffed entirely by AI agents, and making a podcast about the experience. The show is a smart, funny, and truly bizarre look at what AI can do—and what it can’t. 

This week we bring you the first episode of Shell Game Season Two, Minimum Viable Company. You can sign up to get the rest of the Shell Game ad-free, and the Shell Game newsletter, at shellgame.co .


EPISODE CREDITS: 

Shell Game 
Hosted by Evan Ratliff, 
Produced and edited by Sophie Bridges. 
Shell Game’s Technical Advisor Matty Bohacek 
Executive Produced by Samantha Henig, Kate Osborn and Mangesh Hattikudur at Kaleidoscope
and Katrina Norvell at IHeart Podcasts.

Radiolab portions 
Hosted by Simon Adler 
Produced by Mona Madgavkar.

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