Creation Story

October 10, 2025

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5 min read

🎙️ The Voices & The Context

The Format: A deeply personal, one-on-one interview. It’s a casual and intimate conversation, more like two friends unpacking a wild story than a formal Q&A.
The Key Players:
- The Guest: Ella Al-Shamahi, a paleoanthropologist and evolutionary biologist who is described as a "modern-day Indiana Jones." She travels to war zones and pirate-infested waters to find fossils. Her new show, Human, is on PBS and the BBC.
- The Host: Latif Nasser, co-host of RadioLab. He acts as a curious and empathetic guide, pushing for the emotional core of Ella’s story.
The Vibe: Intense, Vulnerable, and Surprising. It starts with a fun, epic story about ancient humans (hobbit-sized people hunting cow-sized elephants!) but quickly pivots into a raw, emotional, and very personal story about faith, doubt, and identity.

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What you'll learn

1 (00:00) **🎙️ Introduction: Ella Al-Shamahi**
2 (04:40) **The Tender Origin Story: From Devout Missionary to Scientist**
3 (10:29) **The Double Agent at University**
4 (14:18) **The Cracks in the Wall: Fruit Flies and Stratigraphy**
5 (18:18) **The Breaking Point: Retrotransposons**
6 (22:46) **Losing a World: The Aftermath of Belief**
7 (32:15) **The Crossover Person: Neanderthal DNA and Personal Connection**

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Show Notes

Ella al-Shamahi is one part Charles Darwin, one part Indiana Jones. She braves war zones and pirate-infested waters to collect fossils from prehistoric caves, fossils that help us understand the origin of our species. Her recent hit BBC / PBS series Human follows her around the globe trying to piece together the unlikely story of how early humans conquered the world. But Ella’s own origins as an evolutionary biologist are equally unlikely. She sits down with us and tells us a story she has rarely shared publicly, about how she came to believe in evolution, and how much that belief cost her.

Special thanks to Misha Euceph, Khalil Andani, and Hamza Syed.

EPISODE CREDITS:
Reported by - Latif Nasser
Produced by - Jessica Yung and Pat Walters
with help from - Sarah Qari
Fact-checking by - Diane Kelly
and Edited by - Pat Walters

EPISODE CITATIONS:

Videos -

“Human” (https://www.bbcearth.com/shows/human), Ella’s show on the BBC and PBS

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