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5 min read"You had just accepted it." That was Darryl Cooper describing the moment he looked up from his workshop to see a 911-sized column of black smoke rising from a two-story house a quarter mile from his own, with nothing but dry forest between him and it. He sprinted to tell his wife to get the cats and the truck ready, then drove over to find a raging inferno. He realized there was no way firefighters would arrive fast enough to stop it from jumping to the forest. "And when it does, we got like three minutes. And so I had just like accepted it." The fire was contained by neighbors with water trucks, not the fire department. That story opens a sprawling, hour-and-a-half conversation between Cooper and Scott Horton that moves from fire season survival to comedy club encounters with Yakov Smirnoff, to the moral emptiness of the pro-war establishment, to the Oklahoma City bombing cover-up, to a Jerusalem Post proposal for debt-for-service military recruitment, to the Iraq War's torture legacy, and finally to George W. Bush as the singular villain who "ruined fucking everything for everyone."
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:00) **Show Open & Host Banter** - Darryl and Scott catch up on Darryl's close call with a forest fire and Scott's comedy cruise with Tom Woods.
- 2 (07:09) **"Soviet America" Framing & Dave Smith vs. Alan Dershowitz** - The hosts use the Yakov Smirnov encounter to frame the episode's theme and praise Dave Smith's recent debate victory.
- 3 (11:49) **The Psychology of the War Party's Arguments** - The hosts analyze why Dershowitz and others cling to outdated, emotional arguments rooted in historical trauma.
- 4 (31:17) **Tucker Carlson's Oklahoma City Bombing Documentary** - Scott plugs a new documentary series and shares his deep history with the Oklahoma City bombing as a formative conspiracy theory.
- 5 (42:03) **The Militia Movement, Waco, and Government Provocateurs** - Darryl distinguishes the non-violent militia movement from the actual perpetrators of the bombing and critiques FBI entrapment.
- 6 (55:33) **The Jerusalem Post's Plan for a Ground Invasion of Iran** - Scott reads a disturbing opinion piece proposing a debt-forgiveness program to recruit millions of Americans for an Iran war.
- 7 (64:12) **Current Iran Conflict & Trump's Erratic Posture** - The hosts discuss the recent exchange of strikes between the U.S. and Iran and Trump's inconsistent strategy.
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Show Notes
In this episode, we discuss the Idaho fire season and how close a blaze came to Darryl's home, as well as the recent Tom Woods cruise, an unexpected meeting with Yakov Smirnoff, and Dave Smith’s debate performance. We then spend much of the episode on the Oklahoma City bombing and a new documentary series, focusing on informants, media narratives, and how the story shaped our views.
We also react to reporting on Iran that discusses a possible ground invasion and troop recruitment ideas, and we connect that to broader concerns about escalating war planning. Finally, we discuss Syria, where the U.S. has removed the al-Qaeda-led government from its terrorism list, and we end with listener questions about debates, Israel-Palestine, and continuing to argue these issues publicly.
Chapters:
0:00:42 Cold Open and Fire Season
0:03:28 Cruise Jokes and Comments
0:05:08 Yakov Smirnoff Surprise
0:08:56 Dave Smith Versus Dershowitz
0:13:49 Trauma and Holocaust Rhetoric
0:30:12 Oklahoma City Documentary
0:33:03 Reexamining the Bombing
0:37:20 Waco and Federal Coverups
0:41:44 Militia Scapegoating
0:45:28 Informants and Entrapment
0:49:49 Oklahoma City Documentary
0:53:53 Iran War Talk
0:55:39 Iran Escalation Fears
1:06:32 Syria’s Jihadist Government
1:21:42 The Atta Timeline
1:26:09 Torture and Blowback
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