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5 min readThe War That Nobody Wants to Continue
Darryl Cooper and Scott Horton open with a striking admission: they've been wrong before about predicting the Iran war would end, but they're sticking with their assessment that neither Washington nor Tehran wants to escalate further. "America already ran out of targets," Cooper says. "We hit as many as we could. It didn't make a damn bit of difference." The conversation that follows is less about predicting what will happen than about explaining why the conflict is stuck in a dangerous limbo—and why the incentives that should push toward peace keep failing to produce it.
The Military Impasse Nobody Will Admit
The core argument of the episode is that the United States has reached a strategic dead end in its conflict with Iran, and the Pentagon knows it. Cooper claims to have sources inside the military who say the uniformed leadership is advising against continuing strikes because they have no clear mission. "They don't feel like they have been given any instructions as far as missions," he says. "What is the mission that can be accomplished by blowing more things up?"
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:45) **Show Setup and Opening Thesis** - Darryl Cooper and Scott Horton introduce the central question: is the US about to restart the war with Iran after a shaky ceasefire?
- 2 (07:07) **Pentagon's Internal Opposition to Escalation** - Horton reveals that the highest military uniformed levels are advising against continuing the war because they lack a clear, achievable mission from the president.
- 3 (12:18) **Trump's Erratic Signals and the "Overton Window"** - The hosts analyze Trump's contradictory statements about the nuclear deal, arguing his real policy is constrained by military reality.
- 4 (15:05) **Netanyahu's Limited Power to Drag the US Back to War** - The hosts argue that Netanyahu cannot unilaterally restart the war against a president who has given up on it.
- 5 (16:20) **Rahm Emanuel's "Tough Love" Speech and the Losing American Public** - The hosts analyze a speech by Rahm Emanuel warning Israel that its "blank check days are over" and that it must accept a two-state solution.
- 6 (22:32) **Darryl Cooper's New Substack Series: "The American Century"** - Cooper announces a new essay series on Substack covering the history of the American 20th century.
- 7 (26:06) **Scott Horton's New Course on AIPAC** - Horton promotes a new course at the Scott Horton Academy of Foreign Policy and Freedom, hosted by Grant F. Smith, on the history of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.
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Show Notes
Darryl Cooper & Scott Horton discuss the war with Iran, arguing that escalation offers little for either side while major obstacles remain to any durable settlement. They also examine the weaker-than-expected military position, political pressure around the conflict, and the possibility of a limited exchange of strikes rather than a full ground war.
They then turn to Israel, Iran, and U.S. politics, including Rahm Emanuel’s speech in Israel, the Democratic Party’s position on Israel-Palestine, and efforts to keep Israeli policy insulated from changes in American public opinion. They also discuss AIPAC and related attempts to deepen the Israel relationship within U.S. institutions.
Finally, they review Syria and Abu Muhammad al-Jolani’s background, including his ties to al-Qaeda in Iraq, and connect that to patterns in U.S. policy toward Islamist factions in the region. They also answer listener questions on Ukraine and other topics and mention several ongoing book and course projects.
Chapters:
0:36 Iran War and Israel Lobby
1:48 The Logic of the Iran War
3:42 Hawks Demand Surrender
10:02 Sponsors and Side Bets
11:16 Trump’s Mixed Signals
15:24 Israel’s Political Squeeze
21:29 New Books and Courses
31:32 Oil, China, and Iran
35:49 School Strike Fallout
42:49 Rally Around the Flag
45:45 Netanyahu’s Nuclear Lies
47:48 Syria’s New Ruler
50:09 Jolani’s Jihad Past
55:39 Al Qaeda as Tool
1:00:11 Ukraine and Super Chats
1:06:27 Skateboarding and Aging
1:09:18 Waco and Thermite
1:11:59 The Bible and Fundamentalism
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