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5 min readAlice Hahn, director at Greenmantle and co-host of the China Decode podcast, joins Prof G Markets to analyze Chinese AI startup DeepSeek's push for a $50 billion valuation amid the US-China AI competition. DeepSeek's recent V4 model rivals top US large language models on benchmarks and supports a one-million-token context window, comparable to offerings from Gemini, Anthropic, and OpenAI. The discussion unpacks why this valuation seems modest, hardware constraints, and the multi-layered dynamics of the race.
DeepSeek's Valuation in Context
DeepSeek's $50 billion target valuation, backed primarily by China's state-led "Big Fund," is far below US peers like Anthropic or OpenAI, which trade at much higher multiples on secondary markets. Hahn attributes this to underdeveloped Chinese capital markets and lower price-to-earnings ratios for Chinese tech firms compared to US Magnificent Seven stocks. Unlike US fundraisings driven by private venture capital, DeepSeek's round emphasizes state support to build a full-stack AI ecosystem rivaling America. Despite the lower figure, DeepSeek leads in China and gained notice last year with its cost-efficient R1 model.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (03:14) **DeepSeek Fundraising** - Chinese AI startup seeks $50B valuation backed by state fund to build full-stack ecosystem rivaling US
- 2 (05:59) **Jensen Huang on China Chip Sales** - Clip highlights Nvidia CEO's defensiveness on selling chips amid fears of Huawei optimization
- 3 (07:44) **Huawei 910C Chip Performance** - New Huawei inference chip outperforms Nvidia H20 by 2.87x; big firms like ByteDance ordering
- 4 (09:00) **China's Inference Chip Push** - Export controls incentivize Huawei/SMIC self-reliance despite performance gap to Nvidia H200/Rubin
- 5 (10:15) **China's Chip Production Bottlenecks** - Domestic output far short of demand; only 2% of Nvidia/TSMC compute by 2027
- 6 (11:32) **Huawei Progress and Gap** - Huawei gaining momentum but not close to top Nvidia chips; designed H20 as compliant downgrade
- 7 (13:16) **Inference Workarounds** - Chinese models excel at inference; cluster 10x Huawei chips to match Nvidia efficiency
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Show Notes
Ed Elson speaks with Alice Han about where the AI race between China and the U.S. stands today. She breaks down DeepSeek’s $50B valuation, where the U.S. still holds an edge, and how China’s chips really stack up to Nvidia’s. Finally, Ed explains why AI might be making us all dumber.
Alice Han is a Director at Greenmantle and Co-Host of the China Decode Podcast.
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