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5 min readWhen the Bond Market Starts Asking Hard Questions
The 10-year Treasury yield ripped above 5.1 percent to a fresh 19-year high. The 30-year returned to levels not seen since 2004. Even the five-year breached 5 percent, the highest since before the financial crisis. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent had tried to stop the bleeding with a historic $6 billion buyback of long-dated bonds. Yields went up anyway. A second buyback operation for another $6 billion was scheduled for the next day. Legendary investor Howard Marks, co-founder of Oaktree Capital Management, had a simple response in his new memo: buybacks are a cosmetic fix for a structurally unsound situation.
What Yields Are Actually Saying
Marks is careful to note that "we never know exactly what the market is saying. The market doesn't tell you what it's saying. It only does something, and you can infer from what's going on around you what the causes might be." When rates go up, it means people want more yield from a given investment. There are three main reasons that happens.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (01:45) **Episode Setup & Market Context** - Host Ed Elson introduces the show and lays out the market vitals: indices down, oil spiking, and odds of rate hikes rising.
- 2 (03:21) **Howard Marks: What The Bond Market Is Saying** - Marks explains that rising yields reflect a market demanding more compensation, not a random move.
- 3 (07:15) **The “Golden Credit Card” and the Shift in Bond Investor Sentiment** - Elson asks why bond investors suddenly care about the deficit now, after decades of ignoring it.
- 4 (10:38) **The Likely Consequence: Not a Crash, But Persistent Higher Rates** - Marks explains what the real-world outcome of this fiscal path looks like.
- 5 (14:10) **The Key Investor Takeaway: Don’t Count on Lower Rates** - Marks delivers his central actionable thesis for the coming years.
- 6 (15:30) **Should You Sell U.S. Assets?** - Elson presses Marks on his memo’s advice not to sell stocks despite the dire fiscal picture.
- 7 (17:16) **The Unanswerable Question: When Does the Luck Run Out?** - A discussion on timing the inevitable reckoning.
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Show Notes
Ed Elson is joined by Howard Marks to break down what’s happening with the bond market and how investors should act accordingly. Then, Daniel Baer joins to discuss the biggest takeaways from the UN General Assembly so far and where the relationship between the U.S. and Iran stands. Finally, Ed gives his take on an AI data center provider delaying its IPO.
Howard Marks is the co-founder and co-chairman of Oaktree Capital Management. Daniel Baer is the former U.S. Ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe and the Interim President of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
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