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5 min readIn the 1986 World Cup quarterfinal, Gary Lineker scored a goal that almost nobody remembers. That's because it came after Diego Maradona punched the ball into England's net with his fist—the "Hand of God"—and then, minutes later, scored what Lineker still calls the greatest goal ever scored in a football match. Lineker was on the pitch for both. Forty years later, he's almost over it.
That game captures something Lineker returns to throughout this conversation: soccer at its highest level is a stage for joy, corruption, heartbreak, and unexpected humanity, often all at once. Speaking with Pod Save America's Tommy Vietor during the 2026 World Cup, Lineker offers a veteran's perspective on a tournament that has surprised even him.
A tournament that exceeded expectations
Going into the 2026 World Cup, there was global anxiety about holding it in Donald Trump's America—fears about ICE raids, visa restrictions, and travel bans. But once the games started, the conversation shifted. "I think it's been quite joyous at times," Lineker says. "The real joy has probably been the way the fans have celebrated, not just their own victories, but celebrated together and kind of shown a lovely humanity and togetherness."
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What you'll learn
- 1 (02:13) **Welcome and Tournament Setup** - Tommy introduces the 2026 World Cup, the pre-tournament anxiety about Trump-era policies, and the surprising joy of fan culture.
- 2 (05:08) **Gary's Impressions of the Tournament** - Gary calls the tournament "quite joyous," praising the on-pitch quality and the way fans have celebrated together.
- 3 (06:30) **Pre-Tournament Fears vs. Reality** - Tommy asks if the cycle of anxiety followed by on-field excitement is typical for every World Cup.
- 4 (10:05) **The Feeling of Playing in a World Cup** - Gary describes stepping onto the field for a World Cup as "the most special thing you can ever do."
- 5 (12:45) **FIFA's Intervention in Balogun's Red Card** - Tommy asks about Trump calling FIFA to lift Balogun's suspension, and whether the red card was deserved.
- 6 (17:45) **Assessing the U.S. Men's National Team** - Tommy asks for an honest assessment of the U.S. team's performance and what happened against Belgium.
- 7 (20:36) **Pulisic's Performance and Pressure** - Tommy asks about criticism of Christian Pulisic, who had a poor World Cup and subbed himself off.
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Show Notes
How is the world reacting to America's World Cup? Did Trump's red card interference ruin all the fun? And will the U.S. men's national team ever be good? Gary Lineker, host of The Rest Is Football and English soccer legend, joins Tommy to talk about the excitement, anxiety, and geopolitics surrounding the 2026 World Cup. Gary offers some advice to America on how to become a true soccer nation, discusses the successes and failures of this World Cup, and reminisces about his time playing in the 1986 World Cup — where he won the Golden Boot and played in the historic "Hand of God" match.
For a transcript of this episode, please email [email protected].
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