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5 min readA Unified Theory of Trumpism
"77 million Americans who voted for Trump are some combination of unserious, decadent, or weak." That's how Jonathan V. Last, editor of The Bulwark, frames the uncomfortable reality he sees at the heart of American politics. In conversation with Pod Save America's Jon Favreau, Last lays out what he calls a "grand unified theory of Trumpism": the essence of Trump's approach, and the key to his success, is the understanding that "the other side will always choose surrender over discomfort."
The Mechanism: Testing Who Will Flinch
Last's framework emerged from watching Trump interact with institutions and individuals who should be his antagonists. At the White House Correspondents' Dinner, Wall Street Journal reporters who had done excellent reporting on Trump and Epstein were brought onstage and, despite their work, shook his hand. Trump noted it publicly: "These guys up here, they kill me all the time. Then they just come up and shake my hand."
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What you'll learn
- 1 (01:20) **Introduction: John Lovett sets up the conversation** - Lovett introduces guest Jonathan V. Last of The Bulwark, praising his early and principled opposition to Trump from the right.
- 2 (02:09) **The Grand Unified Theory of Trumpism** - Lovett asks Jonathan to explain his theory: "the essence of Trumpism is that the other side will always choose surrender over discomfort."
- 3 (05:00) **Case Study: The Todd Blanche Confirmation** - Jonathan and Lovett dissect the behavior of Senators John Cornyn and Thom Tillis during the Todd Blanche AG confirmation.
- 4 (08:44) **Why They Cave: Vanity and the "Good One" Fallacy** - Jonathan explores the psychology of Republican enablers.
- 5 (12:55) **The Lesson Never Learned: Impeachment** - Jonathan ties the current dynamic back to the first Trump impeachment.
- 6 (13:39) **Is It About "American Exceptionalism"?** - Lovett and Jonathan debate the root of Trump's insight.
- 7 (18:24) **The Dark Truth About the 77 Million Voters** - Lovett raises Jonathan's provocative claim that many Trump voters are "unserious, decadent, or weak."
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Jonathan V. Last, editor of The Bulwark, stops by the show to talk to Lovett about his "Grand Unified Theory of Trumpism" — that Trump's opponent "will always choose surrender over discomfort." Together, they try to make sense of America's rotting political culture, breaking down when and where it all went wrong, and debate what it'll take for the nation to heal from this moment, be it a reckoning of virtue, kindness, or democratic will.
Jonathan also walks Lovett through the echoes of Goebbels recently displayed by Secretary Marco Rubio and Stephen Miller and why he believes the desire for a figure like Trump may have always been present within the Republican base.
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