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5 min read🎙️ The Speakers & Context
- The Format: Host-led investigative podcast episode blending narration, expert interviews, and on-the-ground reporting.
- The Key Players:
- Hosts: Wayland Wong (co-host of The Indicator) and Darien Woods—focus on economic ripple effects of policy.
- Reporter: Sergio Martinez Beltrán (NPR immigration reporter)—provides fieldwork from Georgia detention site.
- Experts: Mark Brown (former Federal Law Enforcement Training Center instructor, 5 years at Georgia campus); Matthew Ross (Northeastern University economist studying police training); Steph Stoughton (University of South Carolina law professor and ex-officer).
- Locals: Glen Hall (former Charlton County administrator); Savannah Paula (local advocate studying medicine).
- The Vibe: Reflective and skeptical—balances economic pragmatism against ethical concerns and operational risks.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:22) **ICE Hiring Boom and Enforcement Issues**
- 2 (01:32) **Changes in ICE Training Programs**
- 3 (03:05) **Insights from Former Trainer Mark Brown**
- 4 (04:37) **Shortened Training and Key Cuts**
- 5 (06:03) **Field Training and Cultural Influences**
- 6 (08:13) **Accountability and Legal Challenges**
- 7 (11:35) **Expansion of Detention Centers**
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Show Notes
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ICE is scaling up, with rapid new hiring. So we ask, has training new officers changed? At what cost?Â
Also, the Trump administration has plans to pour billions of dollars into warehouses for mass immigrant detention centers, which can totally change the economy of some areas. We hear from a rural town in Georgia that wants an ICE facility in its own backyard.Â
These episodes were originally published on Planet Money’s sister daily podcast The Indicator.
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The episodes of The Indicator were produced by Julia Ritchey, with engineering by Jimmy Keeley. They were fact-checked by Sierra Juarez. Kate Concannon is our show's editor.
This episode of Planet Money was produced by Luis Gallo, with help from James Sneed. It was edited by Planet Money’s Executive Producer, Alex Goldmark.
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ICE is scaling up, with rapid new hiring. So we ask, has training new officers changed? At what cost?Â
Also, the Trump administration has plans to pour billions of dollars into warehouses for mass immigrant detention centers, which can totally change the economy of some areas. We hear from a rural town in Georgia that wants an ICE facility in its own backyard.Â
These episodes were originally published on Planet Money’s sister daily podcast The Indicator.
Pre-order the Planet Money book and get a free gift. / Subscribe to Planet Money+
Listen free: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the NPR app or anywhere you get podcasts.
Listen to the Indicator from Planet Money
Facebook / Instagram / TikTok / Our weekly Newsletter.
The episodes of The Indicator were produced by Julia Ritchey, with engineering by Jimmy Keeley. They were fact-checked by Sierra Juarez. Kate Concannon is our show's editor.
This episode of Planet Money was produced by Luis Gallo, with help from James Sneed. It was edited by Planet Money’s Executive Producer, Alex Goldmark.
See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences.
NPR Privacy Policy
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