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Is AI slopifying the job market? (Two Indicators)

December 3, 2025

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🎙️ The Speakers & Context

  • The Format: Host discussion with expert interviews. The episode is a compilation of two stories from NPR’s Planet Money and The Indicator.
  • The Key Players:
    • Darian Woods & Waylon Wong: Co-hosts of The Indicator, providing narrative framing and analysis.
    • Jim Farley (CEO, Ford Motor Company): Provides the provocative prediction that AI will replace half of all white-collar workers.
    • Laura Veldkamp (Professor, Columbia Business School): An economist studying AI’s impact on labor share and knowledge production.
    • Josh Freeman (Historian): Offers historical context from the Industrial Revolution.
    • David Koch (Chief of Transformation & Innovation, PSG Global Solutions): Describes the practical implementation of an AI recruiter.
    • Brian Jabarian (Economist, University of Chicago): Conducted the randomized control trial on AI vs. human interviews.
  • The Vibe: Analytical and Reflective. The tone is measured, blending academic research with on-the-ground business case studies.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:01) **🎙️ Introduction: Jim Farley (Ford CEO) & AI's Impact on White-Collar Jobs**
  • 2 (01:53) **The Industrial Revolution Parallel: Labor Share of Income**
  • 3 (05:12) **AI's Effect on the Labor Share of Income**
  • 4 (09:23) **AI in Hiring: The "Anna" Interview Bot**
  • 5 (11:36) **Testing the AI Interview Bot**
  • 6 (14:49) **Surprising Results: People Prefer AI Interviews**
  • 7 (16:39) **Why AI Interviews Work Better**

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Show Notes

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AI is already reshaping how people find work. Fewer entry-level jobs, robot recruiters, and ever-changing new skill requirements all add up to a new, daunting landscape for humans trying to find dignified work.

Today on the show: two stories from the edges of a changing labor market. First we’ll assess claims that AI is causing a white collar job apocalypse. What does the data actually say? We meet an economist who has found one small but fascinating way to measure the impact of AI on workers. 

Then, we go face-to-face, or at least voice-to-voice, with AI. We meet a robot recruiter for a job interview and find cause to ask, ‘When might that actually be preferable to a human recruiter?’

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The original Indicator episodes were hosted by Wailin Wong, Darian Woods, and Adrian Ma. They were produced by Cooper Katz McKim and engineered by Robert Rodriguez and Debbie Daughtry. They were fact checked by Sierra Juarez. They were edited by Paddy Hirsch and Kate Concannon. 

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