You Are Not Data (Christopher West) on AI and the Soul | Ep. 595

September 7, 2026

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Christopher West opens this conversation with a confession: when he first saw what ChatGPT could do—generate an image of John Paul II on a horse in seconds—he knew the world had changed. But the pressing question AI forces on us, he argues, is not about technology. It is about what it means to be human. If we have reduced personhood to intelligence, and a machine appears intelligent, then we have no ground to stand on. The real danger is not AI itself but the uncritical embrace of a worldview that has been preparing the ground for centuries: the idea that the body is a prison and that salvation means escape from it.

The framework: thingifying persons and personifying things

West’s central diagnostic tool is a pair of inversions. When we treat a person’s body as a mere thing to be evaluated by utility, we are thingifying persons—using someone instead of loving them, discarding them when they no longer serve us. The flip side is personifying things: projecting personhood onto machines. He gives a vivid example from his own research. While writing his book on AI, he typed a prompt into Claude and was greeted with “Hi Christopher, how you doing today?” He had just had a painful wrinkle in a family relationship, and for a split second, the greeting felt good. “I caught myself,” he says. “A computer cannot be happy to see me.” But the pull is real, and it is the same mechan

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1 Timestamped Outline
2 (01:52) **The Pressing Question of the Age** - Christopher West joins Matt to discuss what it means to be human when machines appear intelligent
3 (08:10) **Thingifying Persons and Personifying Things** - The key mechanism of dehumanization
4 (13:40) **AI Relationships and Pornography as Siblings** - The same dynamic of avoiding rejection
5 (16:26) **The Difference Between Animal and Human Sexuality** - Personhood transforms everything
6 (19:32) **The Horror of Surrendering Artistry to Artifice** - A story about music and the sacredness of the person
7 (24:50) **Joy Wills Eternity** - Why pleasure alone never satisfies

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Christopher West

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Christopher West is here to warn against the dangers of mistaking intelligence for personhood.

Ep. 595

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