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Answering YOUR Objections to the Rosary | Gabriel Castillo | Last Call Ep. 34

October 1, 2026

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“There is no more Christocentric prayer that I’m aware of that takes you through the life of Christ in that way.” That is how Gabriel Castillo, author of The Power of the Rosary, opens his case. On this episode of Last Call, host Matt Fradd fields three reader-submitted objections to the rosary and turns to Castillo for a calm, theologically grounded defense. The central argument is not about defending Marian devotion for its own sake; it is about reframing the rosary as a structured meditation on the life of Jesus Christ, with Mary as the God-given means, not the end.

The “Vain Repetitions” and Pagan Beads Objection

The first objection came from a former occult practitioner who found the beads and repetitive prayers reminiscent of pagan mantras and cited Matthew 6:7 (“use not vain repetitions”). Castillo begins by affirming the caution: “I want to first acknowledge the fact that that is good. I am glad that you are cautious about things that might be a cult.” But he draws a sharp distinction between form and substance. The occult, he notes, often steals from Catholicism—black masses, images of saints—but the theft does not invalidate the original.

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  • 1 (02:25) **Gabriel Castillo Defines the Rosary** - Castillo introduces his core thesis: the rosary is meditation on the life of Jesus Christ, not primarily Marian devotion.
  • 2 (03:17) **Objection 1: "Vain Repetitions" and Pagan Beads** - The first commenter objects that rosary beads resemble pagan prayer beads and that repetitive prayer violates Jesus' command against "vain repetitions" (Matthew 6:7).
  • 3 (07:01) **Objection 1 Continued: Praying to the "Dead" and Mary's Intercession** - The commenter also objects that prayer should be directed only to the Father, not to Mary or the saints.
  • 4 (10:10) **The Rosary as a Systematic Meditation on Christ** - Castillo pivots to the practical purpose of the rosary: a structured way to meditate on every stage of Christ's life.
  • 5 (11:44) **Personal Testimony: The Rosary and Diabolical Attack** - Castillo shares a personal story of being involved in the occult and pornography, and how the rosary triggered a tangible demonic attack.
  • 6 (16:07) **Objection 2: The Rosary Feels "Too Mary-Centered"** - The second commenter, who is otherwise open, feels the rosary is too focused on Mary and that his anxiety about idolatry prevents genuine meditation.
  • 7 (19:16) **Practical Method: Mental Prayer and Visualization** - Castillo provides a step-by-step method for praying the rosary with genuine meditation, addressing the commenter's anxiety.

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Guests on this episode

Matt Fradd

Show Notes

It’s Last Call! We asked YOU what your objections to the rosary were and Gabriel Castillo is here to answer your top 3.


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📚Resources Mentioned:


*NEW! The Power of the Rosary - Gabriel Castillo: https://sophiainstitute.com/product/the-power-of-the-rosary/?srsltid=AfmBOoo3iseQ8HMYrJna_c-f2mxQyWgQylfg1Jx672i2VwvUydhYPS2v


Audiobook: The Power of the Rosary - Gabriel Castillo: https://open.spotify.com/show/7htlZ9UwDaIapo6gdT5SC3?si=06b8604be4f74a3a


YouTube: Gabi After Hours: https://www.youtube.com/@gabiafterhours


Theotokos Rosaries: https://dwplus.shop/TheotokosRosaries


Truthly 30 Day Free Trial: https://get.truthly.ai/TlbX/MATT30


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⏱️ TIMESTAMPS:


00:00:00 – Intro 

00:02:17 – Objection 1: The Rosary feels pagan

00:11:04 – Objection 2:  The rosary feels too Mary-centered, not Christ-focused

00:18:33 – Objection 3: Too much Mary, too little God"

00:27:43 – More from Gabby


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