‘You Called Me a CHILD KILLER!’ Norman Finkelstein vs Israeli Activist | Marwan Barghouti Son Speaks
September 22, 2026
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5 min readIn a heated studio exchange, political scientist Norman Finkelstein turned to Israeli commentator Hen Mazzig and said that the "higher probability" was that Mazzig was a child killer. The accusation was not rhetorical. Finkelstein grounded it in a specific argument: that Israel's military is a citizen army, that overwhelming majorities of Israeli Jews supported the war in Gaza, and that the army's actions—including what the UN described as deliberate targeting of children—therefore implicate the population that staffs and sustains it. The moment crystallized the episode's central tension: whether collective responsibility for state violence applies symmetrically, and whether the language used to describe it is analytical or dehumanizing.
The collective culpability argument
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:31) **Finkelstein's Opening Argument: Collective Culpability** - Norman Finkelstein explains his view that the Israeli population bears collective responsibility for the actions of their government and military in Gaza.
- 2 (01:39) **Finkelstein on His Rise and October 7th Impact** - Finkelstein discusses the burden of his growing platform and how the events of October 7th changed the public discourse.
- 3 (04:10) **Piers Morgan's Shifting Stance & Israeli Elections** - Piers Morgan explains his own evolving view on the conflict and asks Finkelstein about the potential impact of upcoming elections in Israel and the US.
- 4 (07:30) **Ed Miliband's Historic Shift to International Law** - Finkelstein analyzes Ed Miliband's recent speech, arguing it represents a fundamental realignment of UK policy by anchoring it in international law.
- 5 (12:41) **The Political Power of the Gaza Issue** - Finkelstein argues that taking a pro-Gaza stance has shifted from a political liability to an asset in the US and UK.
- 6 (14:09) **Miliband's Personal Conviction vs. Political Calculation** - Finkelstein distinguishes between Ed Miliband the politician and the heartfelt son of a leftist intellectual.
- 7 (17:30) **The “Nation of Child Killers” Accusation** - Piers Morgan confronts Finkelstein with his controversial statement that Israel is a "nation of child killers," leading to a heated debate on collective responsibility.
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Show Notes
Tonight, Piers Morgan explores the growing debate around artists, free speech and the right to say “Free Palestine”, including the controversy surrounding Ed Sheeran and Macklemore.
And with President Donald Trump warning that he is considering whether to “wipe out” Iran, Piers sits down with Professor Norman Finkelstein to discuss the Middle East conflict, asking him if he stands by his view that Israel is ‘a nation of child killers’.
Then; Israeli activist Hen Mazzig, ‘cancelled’ former Mumford and Sons musician Winston Marshall and System Update host Glenn Greenwald join Finkelstein to further the debate on cancel culture and whether dissent is increasingly being shut down.
Plus Piers speaks to Arab Barghouti, the son of Palestinian political activist Marwan Barghouti, who is serving multiple life sentences in Israel and has been dubbed ‘the Palestinian Nelson Mandela'.
(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:01:06) Norman Finkelstein
(00:16:35) Calling Israel a “nation of child killers”
(00:26:24) Glenn Greenwald, Winston Marshall and Hen Mazzig join
(00:29:00) The “cancellation” of Ed Sheeran
(00:36:30) Norman calls Hen a child killer
(00:58:18) Marwan Barghouti’s son Aran Barghouti
(01:03:40) The charges against Marwan Barghouti
(01:06:00) October 7th
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