'YOU Are An Extremist!' Owen Jones vs Josh Hammer on Gaza, Nancy Mace, El-Sayed, Sharia Law & More

August 11, 2026

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In an unusually combative episode of Piers Morgan Uncensored, political commentator Owen Jones and Newsweek senior editor Josh Hammer clashed over the central question of whether the West’s response to October 7 and its treatment of Muslim communities represent a moral crisis or a necessary defense of civilization. The conversation ranged from the definition of genocide in Gaza to Islamophobia in American politics, trans rights in sports, and the nature of political extremism itself.

The Gaza Dispute: Genocide or Just War?

The episode’s core argument turned on whether Israel’s military campaign in Gaza constitutes genocide. Owen Jones argued it does, citing the destruction of 85% of buildings, the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, and the deliberate infliction of conditions “calculated to bring about [a group’s] physical destruction” — language drawn directly from the Genocide Convention. He pointed to Israeli Holocaust and genocide scholars like Omer Bartov and Daniel Blatman who have reached the same conclusion. Jones also noted that 87% of those killed, according to leaked IDF estimates, are civilians, and that Israel has systematically classified non-combatants as Hamas fighters after death — a claim he attributed to investigations by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

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What you'll learn

1 (00:30) **Opening Clash: Defining the Conflict** - Owen Jones and Josh Hammer immediately stake out opposing positions on the Gaza war, with Jones calling it a genocide and Hammer invoking the Holocaust and October 7th.
2 (09:00) **Fact-Checking the "Babies in Ovens" Claim** - Jones forcefully corrects Hammer's claim that babies were put in ovens on October 7th, setting up a pattern of factual dispute.
3 (10:06) **Quoting Trump Against Each Other** - Both guests weaponize a Donald Trump quote about Gaza being "wiped out" to support their opposing narratives.
4 (11:08) **Collective Guilt vs. Collective Punishment** - The debate crystallizes around whether the entire Palestinian population of Gaza is responsible for Hamas's actions.
5 (14:04) **The Proportionality Argument** - Piers Morgan and Jones challenge the proportionality of Israel's response, using the Northern Ireland troubles as a counterexample.
6 (18:51) **Deferring to Experts: Genocide Scholars vs. Urban Warfare Experts** - Both sides appeal to authority, with Jones citing Israeli Holocaust scholars and Hammer citing a top urban warfare expert.
7 (24:17) **The Ban on International Media in Gaza** - Jones argues that Israel's ban on independent journalists is proof they have war crimes to hide.

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Show Notes

President Trump unveiled his Gaza deal with sweeping claims of a historic breakthrough - including the complete disarmament of Hamas and an Israeli military withdrawal.

But the plan is already facing major obstacles. Israel has rejected key elements of the proposal, while deadly Israeli strikes continue across Gaza and the IDF retains control over large parts of the territory.

Nearly a year after the ceasefire, around 70 per cent of Gaza’s surviving population reportedly cannot return home - either because their homes are inaccessible or no longer exist. With Israel restricting the entry of heavy machinery needed to clear the rubble, the full death toll remains unknown.

At the same time, Trump’s vision for Gaza’s redevelopment looks increasingly difficult to achieve.

The political consequences are spreading beyond the Middle East. With the 2026 US midterms approaching, a new generation of Democratic politicians has made Gaza and US policy toward Israel a major issue with liberal voters. Polling suggests public opinion on Israel is shifting across party lines, while the Iran War has further damaged Trump’s approval ratings.

Piers Morgan is joined by political commentator and author Owen Jones, whose new book is The Fall of the West, and Newsweek senior editor-at-large Josh Hammer, to debate Trump’s Gaza plan, the future of Israel and Palestine - and what it all means for the future of US politics.

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(00:00) Introduction

(02:47) The world’s turning public opinion of Israel

(14:27) Aftermath of WW2 and International Law

(17:00) Proportionality of Israel’s response to October 7

(23:44) The definition of genocide

(26:35) International media ban in Gaza and the IDF morality

(30:00) Owen Jones’ spat with Nancy Mace

(34:19) Abdul El-Sayed and ‘Islamist’ politicians in the U.S.

(41:55) Sharia Law and queer Muslims

(47:10) AOC’s comments about ‘wokeism’

(50:31) Should trans athletes play in women’s sport?

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