'Trump Called Me a Piece of S***!’ Iran War, Lindsey Graham & More | With Ro Khanna & Mehdi Hasan

July 13, 2026

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When Piers Morgan told Ro Khanna that Donald Trump once had an ally pass along the message that Khanna was "a piece of shit," the congressman barely flinched. That exchange, recounted by Jonathan Swan later in the episode, captures the raw texture of American politics in early 2025 — a landscape where personal insults, foreign policy catastrophes, and genuine self-reflection coexist uneasily. The episode covers three major threads: Khanna's detention by Israeli settlers in the West Bank, the ongoing Iran war that has become Trump's defining foreign policy crisis, and the broader decay of political civility exemplified by reactions to Lindsey Graham's death. Swan, co-author of the explosive new book Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump, provides the connective tissue that explains how Trump's second term arrived at this point.

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1 (00:00) **Episode Open & Cold Open** - Piers Morgan sets up the episode's major topics: Congressman Ro Khanna’s detention in the West Bank, the death of Senator Lindsey Graham, the Iran war, and the feud between Elon Musk and Ro Khanna.
2 (03:04) **Ro Khanna: West Bank Detention & Israeli Government Response** - Congressman Ro Khanna details his detention by Israeli settlers and the IDF, and criticizes the official Israeli response.
3 (10:41) **Ro Khanna on Lindsey Graham’s Death & Political Decency** - Khanna condemns the "glee" over Graham's death, arguing for a return to humility and seeing the humanity in those you disagree with.
4 (12:58) **Ro Khanna vs. Elon Musk: USAID Cuts & the Lawsuit Threat** - Khanna discusses the feud with Elon Musk, who threatened to sue him over claims that DOGE cuts to USAID could lead to millions of child deaths.
5 (14:46) **Ro Khanna on Trump’s Hormuz Strait Gambit** - Khanna criticizes Trump’s plan to charge a 20% toll on cargo ships in the Strait of Hormuz as a sign of historical illiteracy.
6 (16:58) **Ro Khanna on Endorsement Regret & Political Bias** - Khanna admits he was biased in endorsing a flawed Democratic candidate, acknowledging he gave his side more leeway than he would a Republican.
7 (19:19) **Panel Introduction: Mehdi Hasan & Hogan Gidley** - Piers introduces Mehdi Hasan and Hogan Gidley, who react to Khanna’s honesty and set up the next debate.

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Guests on this episode

Ro Khanna Mehdi Hasan Jonathan Swan

Show Notes

Following the sudden passing of Senator Lindsey Graham and the shocking murder of legendary UK MP Ann Widdecombe, political discourse has arguably hit a new, toxic low. Instead of reflection or respect, social media and the airwaves have been flooded with celebrations, tasteless jokes, and wild conspiracy theories. While many may have disagreed with Senator Graham’s politics, where is the line between political debate and moral bankruptcy? Piers Morgan addresses this increasingly fractured culture of rage with the following guests; Democratic Congressman for California Ro Khanna, Zeteo founder Mehdi Hasan, former White House deputy press secretary Hogan Gidley and Jonathan Swan, the co-author of the new book ‘Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump.’ Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and sponsored by: Mars Men - For a limited time, our listeners get 50% off FOR LIFE, Free Shipping, AND 3 Free Gifts at Mars Men at Mengotomars.com 00:00 Introduction 02:30 Democratic Congressman for California Ro Khanna joins Piers 03:02 Ro Khanna on being detained by Israel in West Bank 05:00 Ro Khanna on Netanyahu’s comments and Palestinians treatment by Israelis 09:14 Ro Khanna on the current Israeli government 11:00 The aftermath of the death of Lindsey Graham & Ann Widdecombe 14:20 Trump’s latest comments on TruthSocial about the Strait of Hormuz 18:49 AD: Mars Men - For a limited time, our listeners get 50% off FOR LIFE, Free Shipping, AND 3 Free Gifts at Mars Men at Mengotomars.com 19:49 Mehdi Hasan and Hogan Gidley react to Ro Khanna’s interview 27:05 What is America’s moral responsibility to the rest of the world? 28:38 Mehdi and Hogan on the US-Iran War 39:30 Mehdi Hasan and Hogan Gidley on the death of Lindsey Graham 45:18 Jonathan Swan joins Piers to discuss his new book ‘Regime Change’ 48:45 Has Trump kept his second-term policy promises? 51:50 How does the Iran War end? 53:34 Jonathan Swan