"Genius-Level REPTILE!" Gabor Mate vs Gad Saad On Elon Musk, Grooming Gangs & Migration

June 24, 2026

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In a conversation that ranged from evolutionary psychology to the Rotherham grooming gangs to the nature of trauma, Piers Morgan hosted a pointed exchange with Professor Gad Saad, an evolutionary behavioral scientist, centered on Saad's concept of "suicidal empathy." Saad argues that empathy, while a necessary human virtue, can become pathological when it is misdirected—specifically, when compassion for a group leads a society to ignore threats to its own stability and safety. The conversation quickly became a proxy debate with Dr. Gabor Maté, who was listening in and later responded, revealing a deep intellectual and personal rift between the two thinkers.

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1 (00:00) **Ad Break** - Lululemon golf gear advertisement.
2 (00:28) **Introduction: The Concept of Suicidal Empathy** - Piers Morgan introduces Gad Saad and the central thesis of his new book, "Suicidal Empathy."
3 (03:29) **Immigration, Assimilation, and the "Feline" Analogy** - Saad uses an evolutionary analogy to argue that not all immigrants assimilate equally.
4 (07:12) **The Grooming Gangs Scandal as Suicidal Empathy** - Saad presents the UK grooming gangs as the prime example of suicidal empathy in action.
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6 (12:05) **Debate on Religion and Crime** - Saad and Piers argue over whether Islam is uniquely problematic compared to other religions.
7 (16:12) **Gad Saad's Critique of Gabor Maté** - Piers reads Saad's harsh critique of Gabor Maté from his book, including calling him an "uninformed fool" and questioning his Holocaust survivor status.

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Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and sponsored by: Outskill: 👉 Grab your free seat to the 2-Day AI Mastermind: https://links.outskill.com/PIMOJUN4 🔐 100% Discount for the first 1000 people 💥 Dive deep into AI and Learn Automations, Build AI Agents, Make videos & images – all for free! 🎁 Bonuses worth $5100+ if you join and attend A controversial concept has been gaining traction among some of the world's most influential voices. "Suicidal Empathy" - a term popularised by public figures including Elon Musk, Marc Andreessen and Bill Ackman — is the idea that excessive or misdirected compassion can lead societies to make decisions that ultimately undermine their own interests. Its advocates argue that issues such as mass migration, crime and cultural integration are too often viewed through an emotional lens rather than a practical one, with potentially disastrous consequences for Western civilisation. Critics, however, say the theory is little more than a justification for abandoning compassion when it conflicts with a particular political worldview. They argue that empathy is a strength, not a weakness, and warn that the concept risks dehumanising vulnerable people. So who is right? Piers Morgan is joined by Professor Gad Saad, the evolutionary psychologist who coined the term and whose new book, Suicidal Empathy, expands on the argument. Piers is then joined by Canadian physician and author Gabor Mate, who responds to Saad’s criticism of his work. 00:00 Introduction 01:32 Gad Saad on limiting Islamic immigration to Western countries 07:17 Gad Saad on grooming gangs using religion to excuse their crimes 10:26 AD: Outskill - Grab your free seat to the 2-Day AI Mastermind: https://links.outskill.com/PIMOJUN4 11:17 Gad Saad continues his point regarding the inherent problems with Islam 15:29 Gad Saad on why he slams Gabor Mate in his new book 25:52 Can bombing Iran ever make Israel safer? 33:43 Gabor Mate responds to Gad Saad 37:02 Gabor Mate on Gad Saad: "He doesn't know what he's talking about!" 38:59 Gabor Mate responds to Gad Saad's specific points on Islam's inherent violence 47:56 Gabor Mate on Elon Musk having childhood trauma

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