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Would You Have Kids Today? Economist's Dark Warning About the Future | PBD Podcast #835

July 21, 2026

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In a wide-ranging and often combative episode of the PBD Podcast, host Patrick Bet-David sits down with economist Steve Keen, a prominent critic of mainstream economics who famously predicted the 2008 financial crisis. Keen delivers a stark assessment of the global economy, arguing that conventional economic theory is fundamentally flawed and that the world is heading toward a catastrophic convergence of financial collapse, climate-driven disruption, and supply chain breakdown. The conversation moves from the failures of neoclassical economics to the nature of money, the dangers of private debt, and Keen’s personal reasons for believing the future is so grim he would not have children if he were 25 today.

The Failure of Mainstream Economics and the "Ricardian Vice"

Keen begins by dismissing most economists as "frauds," not necessarily conscious ones, but practitioners of a discipline he says is driven more by ideology than logic or data. He contrasts the two dominant poles—Marxists who believe capitalism will inevitably give way to socialism, and neoclassical/Austrian economists who see capitalism as the best possible system—with his own school, Post-Keynesianism, which he describes as focused on understanding how the economy actually works.

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  • 1 (02:11) **Steve Keen's Core Critique of Economics** - Keen explains why he calls most economists "frauds" and distinguishes his own Post Keynesian school from ideologically-driven neoclassical, Marxist, and Austrian schools.
  • 2 (03:35) **Marx vs. Friedman: Intellectual Judgment** - Keen compares Karl Marx and Milton Friedman, praising Marx's superior logic while accusing both of twisting their theories to reach desired conclusions.
  • 3 (06:57) **Defining Success and Failure of Economic Systems** - Keen pushes back on the idea that Marxism "miserably failed," arguing that neoclassical economics has also failed logically, while offering a nuanced view of the Soviet Union and China.
  • 4 (14:33) **Judging Economic Systems by Results** - The host challenges Keen to judge capitalism vs. communism by tangible outcomes, citing America's wealth vs. communism's perceived lack of production.
  • 5 (19:50) **Taxes, Public Goods, and the Role of the State** - Keen defines economic systems by the proportion of services provided by the state vs. the market, rather than tax rates, and argues that the need for public goods (health, education, infrastructure) naturally grows with societal complexity.
  • 6 (25:55) **Vaccines, Autism, and Trust in Data** - A heated exchange on the rise in autism rates and the role of vaccines, triggered by a discussion of RFK Jr.
  • 7 (31:16) **Alan Greenspan, the Fed, and Monetary Policy** - Keen delivers a harsh critique of Alan Greenspan and all conventional Fed chairs, arguing they don't even understand how money is created.

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Patrick Bet-David sits down with economist Steve Keen, one of the few economists to warn of the 2008 financial crisis before it happened. A longtime critic of mainstream economics, Keen debates capitalism, Marxism, climate change, AI, America's debt crisis, Iran, housing affordability, and the future of civilization.

Steve Keen explains why he believes economists misunderstand money, why AI is headed for a massive shakeout, and why humanity faces its greatest challenges in the decades ahead.


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