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5 min readPastor Joel Webbon, a 40-year-old reformed Protestant minister in Texas with five children and a sixth on the way, came on the PBD Podcast to explain a position that often gets him labeled a radical: he wants Christians to pursue political power, not just as a side effect of evangelism but as a direct goal. He argues that Christians have been too passive, waiting for a religious revival before they feel entitled to pass common-sense laws, while a well-organized minority—he points to the LGBT movement—has spent 40 years using a minority strategy to transform American culture. His core claim is that you do not need a majority of born-again believers to have a functional, Christian-influenced country. Japan is not Christian, he notes, yet it maintains order through natural revelation and rational self-interest. The question, then, is what a Christian with power would actually do with it.
The Strategy: Power as a Tool, Not a Vice
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:08) **Webboun Declares He Wants Power** - Joel Webboun states directly that he wants political power, framing it not as a vice but as a neutral tool that can be used for good.
- 2 (10:16) **The Strategy: Policy Before Revival** - Webboun explains that Christians can enact laws based on general revelation and natural law, even without a majority of the population being born-again.
- 3 (14:16) **Wish List: Blasphemy Laws and Public Idolatry** - Webboun outlines his top policy priority: making public blasphemy and open displays of idolatry a crime.
- 4 (19:04) **The Three Categories of Biblical Law** - Webboun breaks down Old Testament law into moral, ceremonial, and civil categories to explain how he would apply it today.
- 5 (22:47) **Second Table of the Law: Adultery as a Crime** - Webboun argues that adultery should be a crime, not just a sin, and that no-fault divorce should be abolished.
- 6 (31:49) **The Interracial Marriage Controversy** - Webboun explains the origin of his viral comments, stating he was baited by a social media influencer into a "false dichotomy."
- 7 (38:41) **The Endgame: National Power, Not Personal Retreat** - Webboun rejects the idea of simply moving to a small town to build a Christian enclave, arguing that "Sauron will always eventually come for the Shire."
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Show Notes
Patrick Bet-David sits down with Joel Webbon, senior pastor of Covenant Bible Church and founder of Right Response Ministries, whose growing influence in the New Christian Right has made him a controversial voice in American Christianity.
Webbon lays out his vision for a more explicitly Christian America, arguing that believers should pursue political power and explaining what he would do with it. The conversation challenges his views on race, immigration, Israel, Islam, and marriage, before turning to the deeper divide over liberalism, Protestantism, Catholicism, and the future of the Christian Right.
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