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5 min readOne of the most common misconceptions about paranormal investigation, says investigator Jay Gridley, is that every unexplained sound or shadow is demonic. After hundreds of cases, he has never encountered a demon. “You have a spirit named Bob and he’s pissed,” Jay says. “That’s all it ever is.” This calm, grounded perspective runs through the entire conversation on the Unholy Podcast, where host Doug Owen speaks with Lawrence Langdon and Jay Gridley of New York Paranormal about how real investigations work—and how they differ from what television has led the public to expect.
The Origin of an Investigator
Both guests trace their interest in the paranormal to early, personal encounters they could not explain. Lawrence’s started in a more conventional way: after watching the TV show Ghost Hunters, he learned that a friend owned a house the show had investigated and was invited to join a TAPS family member investigation. There, he saw a shadow figure for the first time. Jay’s experience goes back further, to childhood in the Finger Lakes region of New York. He regularly played with children in the woods that no one else could see. His older brother warned him to stop, or their parents would “send you away,” so Jay learned to suppress the ability. The gift resurfaced years later in college, when a fan in his apartment shut off by itself and a little girl appeared, made ey
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What you'll learn
- 1 (04:09) **Lawrence's First Experience** - Lawrence describes being invited to a Ghost Hunters investigation at a house in Canandaigua, New York, where he saw his first shadow figure.
- 2 (05:17) **Jay's Childhood Gift and Reawakening** - Jay recounts seeing spirits as a child in the Finger Lakes and then having a visual encounter as an adult that rekindled his abilities.
- 3 (09:51) **How Their Perspectives Have Evolved** - Both investigators explain how their goals have shifted from simply witnessing phenomena to seeking intelligent, verifiable communication.
- 4 (11:54) **Why They Became Investigators, Not Just Witnesses** - The guests explain their motivation to build "paranormal profiles" through repeated visits to validate intelligent communication.
- 5 (13:42) **Investigative Styles: EVP King vs. Audio and Trail Cams** - Lawrence and Jay describe their personal focuses, from EVPs and video to audio recordings and multi-colored flashlights.
- 6 (16:57) **The First Step for a Haunted Homeowner** - Jay details their careful, in-person interview process designed to protect the homeowner's sense of safety.
- 7 (19:37) **When the Paranormal Has a Normal Explanation** - The investigators share stories of cases where fears of ghosts turned out to be a sump pump and a light casting a shadow.
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Show Notes
Drawing from their work with NY Paranormal, Lawrence and Jay discuss the realities of investigating reported paranormal activity and the challenge of separating genuine anomalies from environmental contamination, coincidence, equipment interference, and human perception. They share their perspectives on evidence collection, firsthand experiences, and what happens when investigators have exhausted the ordinary explanations but are still left with something they cannot account for.
Doug, Lawrence, and Jay also explore one of the central problems facing serious paranormal researchers: unexplained evidence does not automatically prove the existence of a ghost, but neither should compelling evidence be dismissed simply because it challenges conventional understanding. What do investigators do when a recording, experience, interaction, or piece of evidence survives scrutiny and refuses to become easily explainable?
Whether you're fascinated by ghost hunting, paranormal evidence, haunted locations, spirit communication, or the continuing search for credible proof of the unexplained, this episode takes an engaging look at investigators who are willing to follow the evidence—even when it leads somewhere unexpected.
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