Eulogies and Boundaries: Orthodox Jews and the Legacy of Charlie Kirk (264)

September 30, 2025

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Eulogies and Boundaries: Orthodox Jews and the Legacy of Charlie Kirk

When Charlie Kirk was assassinated, the Orthodox Jewish community faced a question that went beyond grief: how do you respond to a complicated ally who was both a vigorous defender of Israel and a figure whose other positions many Jews found deeply problematic? The episode brings together three Orthodox rabbis—Yitzchak Adlerstein, Pesach Wolicki, and Benjamin Kelson—who represent different points on the spectrum of appreciation and concern, to work through what a mature, honest response should look like.

The Man and the Moment

Charlie Kirk was not a simple figure. He was the founder of Turning Point USA, a conservative activist who built a massive following among young evangelicals. He defended Israel vigorously on campus tours, often spending 40 to 50 percent of his Q&A sessions answering hostile questions about the Jewish state. But he also platformed figures like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, whom many consider openly anti-Semitic. He criticized the ADL and AIPAC, and he resented being called an anti-Semite for giving airtime to voices that attacked Israel.

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What you'll learn

1 (01:45) **Framing the Conversation** - Scott Kahn sets the ground rules: condemn the murder unequivocally, but do not ignore the complexity of Charlie Kirk’s public figure.
2 (06:35) **Defining the Orthodox Response: Rabbi Wolicki** - Rabbi Wolicki argues the community should applaud Kirk’s defense of biblical values, viewing Orthodox Jews as guests in a Christian nation.
3 (09:45) **Defining the Orthodox Response: Rabbi Kelson** - Rabbi Kelson warns against glorification and whitewashing, arguing that some of Kirk’s positions on race and immigration conflict with Torah values.
4 (12:21) **Defining the Orthodox Response: Rabbi Adlerstein** - Rabbi Adlerstein frames Kirk’s importance as a "pragmatist" defending the pro-Israel Evangelical alliance against a generational shift.
5 (17:22) **Causes of the Evangelical Shift** - The panel diagnoses why younger Evangelicals are less engaged with Israel, citing a lack of scriptural literacy and the rise of supersessionist theology.
6 (20:55) **Warning Signs: The Problematic Positions** - Rabbi Kelson details specific Kirk positions that should give Orthodox Jews pause, including demonizing immigrants and promoting replacement theory.
7 (26:44) **Disputing the Warning Signs** - Rabbi Wolicki pushes back, arguing that Kelson’s description is a "caricature from left-wing media" and that Kirk’s positions on immigration and race were legitimate and not racist.

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Show Notes

Charlie Kirk's assassination is a shocking, tragic act of violence. Murder is a desecration of the image of God, full stop. We condemn it unequivocally, and we pray for comfort for his family and for all who were harmed.

At the same time, Charlie Kirk was a complicated public figure. He was outspokenly pro-Israel and often advocated for Jewish safety; he also voiced criticisms of Israel's current government. He advanced positions that many in the Orthodox world consider essential, and others consider deeply problematic. He defended Israel vigorously, and he also gave a platform to voices widely regarded as openly antisemitic. All of that can be true at once, and ignoring any part of that picture does our community no favors.

In the days since his death, we've seen Orthodox individuals and organizations release statements ranging from restrained condolences to sweeping praise that some would call over-the-top. Today we're going to step back and ask, dispassionately and honestly: what should Charlie Kirk's legacy be for Orthodox Jews?

This is neither a eulogy nor an indictment. Our aim is to slow the rush to hot takes and consider how a mature community remembers someone who meant very different things to different people.

I have three guests on today's episode: Rabbi Yitzchok Adlerstein, Rabbi Benjamin Kelsen, and Rabbi Pesach Wolicki. Together we'll explore where they agree, where they diverge, and what that means for real life: how institutions and leaders speak publicly, and how we keep our disagreements from corroding relationships. Above all, we'll try to conduct this conversation in a way that is truthful, proportionate, and humane.

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