Ologies with Alie Ward
Ologies with Alie Ward

Emmenology (MENOPAUSE & PERIMENOPAUSE) Part 1 with Monica Christmas, Mary Claire Haver and Lara Durgavich

July 15, 2026

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In 1996, a landmark paper introduced the term “zone of chaos” to describe the hormonal landscape of perimenopause. Dr. Mary Claire Haver, who read that paper in 2023, describes the reaction: “I’m like, what the fuck?” The chaos is real: the brain, desperate for estrogen, floods the pituitary with follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), forcing erratic ovulation cycles. Estradiol levels can spike to early-pregnancy levels, then crash. Progesterone never keeps up. The result is not a gentle decline but a hormonal roller coaster that affects the brain’s amygdala, frontal lobe, and brain stem—explaining why sleep disruption, anxiety, rage, and brain fog often appear before menstrual cycles ever change.

Listening to the Patient, Not the Lab

Both Dr. Monica Christmas and Dr. Haver emphasize that perimenopause is diagnosed by listening to the patient, not by chasing lab values. During the transition, hormone levels fluctuate so wildly that a single blood draw is meaningless. “Tomorrow they could be something totally different,” Dr. Haver says. The exception is when symptoms appear unusually early—say, in a 35-year-old—where labs help rule out premature ovarian insufficiency (POI) or other endocrine disorders. For women in the natural age range (45 to 55), the key question is not “What is your FSH?” but “What are your symptoms?”

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What you'll learn

  • 1 Emmenology (MENOPAUSE & PERIMENOPAUSE) Part 1
  • 2 (00:00) **Episode Introduction** - Alie Ward sets up the three-part series on menopause and perimenopause with five guests
  • 3 (05:31) **Meet the Experts** - Introduction of three guests: Dr. Monica Christmas, Dr. Mary Claire Haver, and Dr. Lara Durgavich
  • 4 (06:57) **Dr. Christmas on How She Specialized in Menopause** - Serendipitous path: early career had time to listen to midlife women, built a following by actually hearing patients
  • 5 (13:16) **Dr. Christmas's Personal Experience with POI** - She went through premature ovarian insufficiency (POI) in her mid-30s
  • 6 (18:08) **Dr. Haver's Wake-Up Call** - Was a "horrible menopause doctor" for 15 years until she and her friends started going through it
  • 7 (19:54) **The Basics: What's Happening Biologically** - Dr. Haver explains the "zone of chaos" in perimenopause

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Show Notes

Hormones. Mood swings. Brain fog. Night sweats. And why doesn’t your shoulder work? The time is here for this whopper of a 3-part series on menopause with a total of five Ologists. No matter what your age or gender, you owe it to the people in your life who go through this to understand it. Brilliant and charming Dr. Mary Claire Haver is an OB-GYN who wrote bestsellers “The New Menopause” and the just-released “The New Perimenopause” and hosts the podcast unPAUSED. The wonderful and warm Dr. Monica Christmas is a professor and clinician with decades of experience in menopause treatment,  and repeat guest Dr. Lara Durgavich is a primatologist who has some answers about why our species goes through “the change.” 

Part 2 covers what to DO about symptoms of menopause, from vagina creams to hormone replacement therapy to libido to brain clarity and the importance of lifting heavy stuff. 

And finally, Part 3 has advice for loved ones to help support people in their lives who are sailing the stormy seas of hormonal change. 

Browse Dr. Christmas’s papers on ResearchGate and follow her on Instagram

Visit Dr. Haver’s website and follow her on Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, and Substack

Buy Dr. Haver’s books, The New Menopause and The New Perimenopause

Follow Dr. Durgavich on Bluesky

Donations went to the Center for Food Equity in Medicine and St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital

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