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Biomusicology (OUR MUSICAL NATURE) with David Bashwiner

June 25, 2026

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Biomusicology: Our Musical Nature with David Bashwiner

The moons of Jupiter keep time like a drum machine. Io orbits every 1.77 days, Europa every 3.55, Ganymede every 7.15—a precise 2:1:4 ratio that 17th-century sailors used as a celestial clock. That same ratio, David Bashwiner points out, is an octave in music: a string vibrating twice as fast produces the same note at a higher pitch. "Somehow our brains do something like computing the relationship of the number of vibrations of one sound to another," he says. The universe runs on rhythms we can hear.

What Music Theory Actually Is

Music theory is not a set of rules composers follow. It is grammar—the invisible structure that governs how we put sounds together, whether we know it or not. Bashwiner compares it to diagramming sentences in seventh grade: "No one has to tell you use a noun and then use a verb and then it'll be correct. You do that." The same applies to music. Even making up a song for your dog follows a grammar that is already there. Theory just makes that meshwork of relations visible.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (04:45) **What is Music Theory?** - David defines music theory as the “grammar” of music, a conceptual background that governs how sounds are put together, much like sentence diagramming.
  • 2 (06:35) **Biological Roots of Rhythm & The Octave in Nature** - David explains that basic rhythmic templates are not just cultural, citing Johannes Tinctoris and the 4/4 march rhythm, then connects the 2:1 ratio of Jupiter’s moons to the musical octave.
  • 3 (11:08) **Why Clapping on the Wrong Beat Feels Wrong** - Alie and David discuss why audiences clap on the “ones and threes” (downbeats) instead of the “twos and fours” (upbeats), and how cultural exposure—like participatory church music—trains rhythmic feel.
  • 4 (13:13) **Communication vs. Song Across Animals** - The line between speech and song is explored through examples: the midshipman fish’s hum (a song-like beacon) vs. its grunt/growl (agonistic signals), and the zebra finch’s single learned song vs. a dozen other call types.
  • 5 (20:13) **Did Human Speech Evolve from Song?** - David reviews the debate: great apes (chimps, gorillas) use gesture more than vocal song, while gibbons sing. Joseph Jordania’s hypothesis suggests early humans kept singing as a predator-defense warning display, like skunk odor.
  • 6 (25:03) **Whale Song: Jamming, Beacons, or Echolocation?** - Humpback whale songs are highly structured (motive-phrase-group) and function as long-distance attractive beacons during mating season, akin to music festivals. David also notes a new hypothesis that whale song may be sophisticated echolocation.
  • 7 (31:51) **Why We Gravitate Toward Certain Genres** - Music helps mark group identity, similar to how frogs use rhythm and patterning to distinguish species. In human culture, teens separate from parents by adopting different music, and repeated listening makes those songs part of personal identity.

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Show Notes

Music. Emotion. Brain waves. Whale songs. Toadfish. Distant moons. Loud apes. And why it’s worth it to practice piano. Brilliant and warm musician and assistant professor at Albuquerque's University of New Mexico, Dr. David Bashwiner is a theoretical, neuro- and biomusicologist. Settling into his office (with a baby grand) we covered everything from bird songs to aquatic echolocation, how scales work, major vs. minor keys and their impact on the brain, music therapies, white noise, binaural beats, mole crickets, fandom as identity, spider guitar strings, Baby Mozart, so-called perfect pitch, and so much more. Stay tuned for a bonus episode hosted by Podmother Jarrett Sleeper about getting more creative musically. Go bang on something. Hard. 

Visit Dr. Bashwiner’s website and follow him on Google Scholar

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