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5 min readIn Shanghai, Dan Wang noticed something he hadn't seen on previous trips: the city's famous cafes were full of young women who had ordered one or two coffees between them, then spent an hour taking photos of themselves. "So many of these Shanghai city blocks have been almost rearchitected to be photo spots," he says. This observation became a thread running through his conversation with Odd Lots hosts Tracy Alloway and Joe Weisenthal — a way into the broader mood of a country that has built astonishing material abundance while its young people quietly stop having children.
Wang, a fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution and author of Breakneck: China's Quest to Engineer the Future, had just returned from a month in China — his first visit since early 2023. He spent two weeks in Shanghai and two in Yunnan, the mountainous southwestern province where his family is from. The conversation ranged from phone culture to fertility collapse to the stunted state of Chinese cultural exports, and it painted a picture of a country that is materially dazzling and demographically terrifying.
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- 1 (04:10) **Dan Wang Returns to China After Two Years** - Dan describes his first trip back since early 2023, spending a month in Shanghai and Yunnan.
- 2 (08:20) **Shanghai vs. Beijing: The Center of Gravity** - Dan explains why he chose Shanghai over Beijing, framing it as a choice between comfort and intellectual/political power.
- 3 (11:46) **Phone Culture: The Defining Vibe** - Joe and Dan dissect the extreme phone and screen obsession they both observed in China.
- 4 (20:15) **Influencer Culture and the "Photo Economy"** - Dan describes how cafes and city blocks are being re-architected as photo spots, often substituting for real consumption.
- 5 (25:13) **The State of Young Men and the Gender Divide** - Tracy asks about the mood of young men in China, given the extreme gender gap in politics seen in other East Asian countries.
- 6 (29:50) **The Central Contradiction: Amazing Products vs. Serene Discontent** - Dan defines the core tension: incredible material life alongside deep economic anxiety.
- 7 (32:49) **The Demographic Cliff: No One Wants Kids** - Dan presents the most striking data point: Shanghai's TFR is 0.6, with the richest districts at 0.4.
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Show Notes
There's this weird contradiction that hovers almost all conversations regarding the Chinese economy. On the one hand, the growth and rising material prosperity is undeniable. And of course, Chinese industrial giants are at the frontier in all kinds of things, like batteries. On the other hand, you always hear about a soft domestic market, and a general state of unease among workers who fear that precarity is around the corner. So how is this contradiction explained? And how does it affect day-to-day life? On this episode, we bring back one of our regular guests Dan Wang, who recently returned from a long trip to Shanghai. We discuss his observations, the general ennui he saw, the signs of domestic weakness, and the way in which phone culture is reshaping Chinese society.
Read more: It’s Too Soon to Breathe Easy on China’s Economy
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