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5 min read🎙️ The Voices & The Context
- The Format: Casual, insightful interview podcast with hosts bantering nostalgically before diving into a deep discussion with a guest author.
- The Key Players:
- Hosts: Joe Weisenthal and Tracy Alloway, Bloomberg finance journalists with sharp, playful chemistry—reminiscing about '90s internet innocence while probing global parallels.
- Guest: Yi Ling Lu, author of The Wall Dancers, offering a nuanced view of China's internet from individual stories, not just platforms or state power.
- The Vibe: Educational yet fun, blending nostalgia, humor, and eye-opening parallels between US and Chinese online worlds—intense on censorship but light with memes and mob analogies.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:00) **🎙️ Introduction: Yi Ling Lu**
- 2 (01:18) **From Internet Utopia to Centralized Tribalism**
- 3 (04:11) **Nuances of Chinese Internet Censorship**
- 4 (14:16) **Labor-Intensive Moderation and Wumao**
- 5 (19:04) **Weibo's Origins and Competitive Censorship**
- 6 (23:22) **Vague Directives and Creative Evasion**
- 7 (27:23) **Challenges of Code Words and NPC Memes**
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Show Notes
In the 90s, there was a lot of talk about how the Internet would be a liberalizing force in the world. Bill Clinton famously predicted that it would be impossible for China to lock down the Internet, and that this would have profound effects on domestic politics. Of course that didn't come true -- China has done a remarkable job of controlling what gets behind the firewall. But then furthermore, the Internet hasn't had the liberalizing effects in the US either. On this episode of the podcast, we speak to Yi-Ling Liu, the author of the fascinating new book The Wall Dancers: Searching for Freedom and Connection on the Chinese Internet. The book traces the rise of the Chinese Internet, and how its users navigate the "dance" between freedom and censorship. She talks about the early visions for the Internet in China, and how over time it became a hotbed of nationalism. We discuss what's similar and different, and also what happens when users in both countries are given the opportunity to easily make contact withe each other on social media.
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