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5 min readIn June 2025, SpaceX was worth $2.7 trillion on roughly $20 billion of revenue, with no earnings. Its price-to-sales ratio exceeded 100. That single number—a company with no profits selling for more than a hundred times its sales—is the kind of fact that makes market historian Jeremy Grantham, co-founder of GMO and author of The Making of a Permabear, sit up and pay attention. For Grantham, the current AI frenzy is not just another speculative episode. It is, he argues, one of the two greatest bubbles in financial history, comparable only to the 19th-century railroad mania.
What Makes a Great Bubble
Grantham has spent 50 years studying the making and breaking of great bubbles, which he considers "the only thing that really matters" in markets. His framework is precise. A true bubble requires three ingredients: decent economic times, easy money, and a "fabulous idea" so obviously important that everyone can see it. The railroads were one such idea—everyone knew they would change the world, everyone piled in, and everyone lost their money. Out of the ashes, the tracks remained, and the world did change. The internet was another, with Amazon famously falling 92% before rising to dominate retail.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (01:48) **Introduction & SpaceX Bubble Talk** - Tracy and Joe introduce the episode and discuss SpaceX's massive valuation.
- 2 (07:05) **Jeremy Grantham's Initial Advice** - Grantham advises investors to avoid hype and check the numbers.
- 3 (10:25) **Handling Client Pressure in a Bubble** - Grantham discusses the difficulty of managing clients during a bull market.
- 4 (13:03) **Signs a Bubble is About to Burst** - Grantham outlines historical signals for bubble peaks.
- 5 (18:00) **QuantumScape & The 2021 Bubble** - Grantham shares his personal experience with the meme stock QuantumScape.
- 6 (22:01) **Debating NVIDIA & AI Valuations** - The hosts and Grantham debate whether NVIDIA's growth justifies its valuation.
- 7 (30:23) **The Best Historical Analogy for AI** - Grantham compares the current AI bubble to the railroad bubble.
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Show Notes
Jeremy Grantham, co-founder and long-term strategist of GMO, has a long history of calling bubbles. As he recounts in his new memoir, The Making of a Permabear: The Perils of Long-Term Investing in a Short-Term World, that includes spotting the dot-com bubble of the early 2000s, which some people see as analogous to the current excitement over AI. And when it comes to today's market, there are a lot of signs of frothiness you could point to. In this episode, we speak to Grantham about how he sees markets right now, including a watershed change for Big Tech stocks, the signs he watches out for to spot when a bubble might burst, and what really keeps him up at night.
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