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How LA Is Quietly Becoming America's New Industrial Tech Hub

September 21, 2026

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In a live Odd Lots episode recorded at the Vermont Theater in Hollywood, hosts Joe Weisenthal and Tracy Alloway sit down with two founders who are trying to rebuild America’s industrial base from the ground up: Chris Power, founder of Hadrian, and Tom Mueller, founder of Impulse Space and the first employee of SpaceX. The conversation moves from the historical pattern of industrial decline to the nuts and bolts of what it actually takes to manufacture things in the United States today, and why the stakes are far higher than most people realize.

The Real Reason Manufacturing Left

Chris Power offers a sweeping historical frame for why the U.S. lost its manufacturing edge. He argues that every great power follows the same cycle: it builds the best industrial capacity, wins or prevents a war, then gets lazy, pivots to finance, and offshores the production that made it powerful in the first place. This pattern, he says, tracks with the reserve currency — the Netherlands ceded to the British Empire, which ceded to the American Empire. The mistake, Power warns, is thinking the reserve currency is the source of power, when in fact it is the consequence of having the best ships and factories. “You’ve ultimately traded spreadsheet returns from a high effect and luxury of leaf society,” he says, “and forgotten that the world is real.”

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (03:37) **The Narrative of US Manufacturing Decline** - Chris Power and Tom Mueller give their contrasting explanations for the hollowing out of American industrial capacity.
  • 2 (07:56) **Are These Efforts Real or Just Hype?** - Tracy challenges the guests to prove their companies are substantive, not just good podcast material.
  • 3 (11:33) **How Autonomous Are These Factories?** - Chris clarifies what "autonomous manufacturing" actually means and what humans still do on the factory floor.
  • 4 (16:36) **Is Southern California Becoming an Industrial Ecosystem?** - The guests discuss whether the LA area is developing the same kind of manufacturing cluster that makes Shenzhen so powerful.
  • 5 (18:47) **Vertical Integration vs. Outsourcing** - How do these founders decide what to build in-house versus buy from suppliers?
  • 6 (22:08) **How Anxious Should We Be About the Robot Race?** - The conversation turns to the strategic implications of losing the manufacturing base to China, especially for robotics and defense.
  • 7 (29:38) **What Is the Actual Key Constraint?** - The hosts ask why, if the stakes are so existential, these problems aren't being solved faster.

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Show Notes

The story you hear nowadays is that America is struggling to make things and can't compete with China when it comes to advanced manufacturing. But of course, there's tons of high-tech stuff being produced in the US, and more and more companies are doing it out of Southern California, with factories sprouting up around Los Angeles to build things like precision metal parts and jet engines. Two founders who are actively engaged in building things in LA are Tom Mueller, founder of Impulse Space (and Employee No. 1 at SpaceX), as well as Hadrian founder Chris Power. Impulse Space is building in-space transport vehicles while Hadrian is creating autonomous factories. This episode, which was recorded live at the Vermont Hollywood, is from our first ever Odd Lots live show in LA . We talk to Chris and Tom about how the US lost its manufacturing edge and why LA is becoming a destination for people who want to make and build hardware.

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