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5 min read🎙️ The Voices & The Context
- The Format: A live, casual, and deeply insightful interview. This is a high-level policy chat that feels like a candid conversation between friends, not a stuffy think-tank panel.
- The Key Players:
- The Hosts: Jill Wisenthal and Tracy Alloway from the Odd Lots podcast. They are sharp, well-informed, and act as the perfect audience surrogate, asking the tough questions while keeping the tone light.
- The Guest: Gina Raimondo, a CFR Distinguished Fellow, former U.S. Commerce Secretary, and former Governor of Rhode Island. She is the star of the show, bringing a rare combination of high-level government experience and a pragmatic, no-nonsense attitude.
- The Vibe: Educational & Urgent. The conversation is packed with facts and strategic thinking, but it's driven by a palpable sense of urgency about the state of the world. It's serious, but Raimondo's directness and occasional humor keep it from being a downer.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:00) **🎙️ Introduction: Gina Raimondo**
- 2 (00:35) **The State of US-Europe Relations**
- 3 (04:39) **US-China Tech Competition & The Need for Allies**
- 4 (06:48) **Europe's Industrial Decline & China's Dumping**
- 5 (09:00) **Building a Diversified Supply Chain with Allies**
- 6 (16:05) **Balancing Trade and National Security with China**
- 7 (19:00) **Winning the AI Race: Innovation vs. Social Stability**
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Show Notes
The relationship between the US and Europe is deteriorating along both security and economic dimensions. The Trump administration has imposed tariffs, while also being sharply critical of NATO allies. So what are European leaders to do? Hope things go back to normal in the US? Or perhaps become closer with China? Our guest on this episode says the latter would be a grave mistake. This episode was recorded live on April 1 at the DC headquarters of the Council on Foreign Relations. We spoke with Gina Raimondo, now a CFR Distinguished Fellow, who previously served as the commerce secretary in the Biden Administration, and prior to that was the governor of Rhode Island. She discusses her view that European industry is being hollowed out by China, and that the only path forward is a global, unified, non-China trading bloc, which is an idea that's being thwarted by the Trump administration. We also talk about the legacy of the CHIPS Act, and her fears about AI creating mass unemployment and destabilizing our democracy.
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