Anthropic, the Pentagon, and the Future of Autonomous Weapons

March 28, 2026

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Anthropic's public fallout with the Pentagon over AI contracts highlights tensions around military use of advanced AI, particularly for targeting and surveillance. In this Odd Lots episode, hosts Joe Weisenthal and Tracy Alloway discuss the spectrum of weapon autonomy with Paul Scharre, executive vice president at the Center for a New American Security and author of Army of None and Four Battlegrounds. A former policy advisor in the Office of the Secretary of Defense who shaped the Pentagon's 2011 autonomy directive, Scharre explains current applications, disputes with AI firms, and risks as capabilities advance.

Defining Autonomy and Today's Military AI Tools

Autonomous weapons select their own targets on the battlefield, distinct from current systems where humans choose targets. This forms a spectrum, akin to self-driving cars progressing from cruise control to full operation. The U.S. military has used narrow AI for over a decade via Project Maven, employing image classifiers to scan drone footage and satellite imagery for objects like buildings or vehicles.

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What you'll learn

1 (00:00) **🎙️ Introduction: Paul Scharre**
2 (02:27) **Anthropic-DOD Dispute and Autonomous Weapons Debate**
3 (06:55) **Defining Autonomous Weapons**
4 (08:03) **Current AI Use in US Military Operations (Iran War)**
5 (12:45) **Human Oversight and Risks (School Strike Example)**
6 (19:16) **Paul's Background in AI Policy**
7 (21:24) **Contractor Resistance (Google Precedent)**

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Show Notes

The last big story right before the war in Iran started was the collapse in the relationship between the Pentagon and Anthropic, with the latter objecting to any potential use of its models in either fully autonomous weapons or domestic surveillance. Of course, this story immediately become more relevant with the start of the war, and the reporting that Anthropic's technology was in fact utilized at the start of hostilities. But what does that mean? How are these models used? And what would a fully autonomous weapons system actually entail? On this episode, we speak with Paul Scharre, the executive vice president and director of studies at the Center for a New American Security. He has written two books on the subject of AI in warfare, and previously worked inside the Department of Defense on some of these very questions. We discuss the future of autonomous weaponry, and the various ethical and technological dimensions such weapons would entail.

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