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AI Can Tell Us Something About Credit Market Weakness

December 4, 2025

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🎙️ The Voices & The Context

  • The Format: This episode of the Odd Lots podcast features a casual yet informative discussion between hosts Joe Wiesenthal and Tracy Alloway, along with guest Dan Wertman, co-founder of Noetica AI. The conversation delves into the current landscape of credit markets and the role of AI in understanding complex deal terms.
  • The Key Players:
    • Joe Wiesenthal: A seasoned host known for his insightful commentary on financial topics.
    • Tracy Alloway: Co-host and financial journalist with a keen interest in credit markets.
    • Dan Wertman: Co-founder of Noetica AI, which specializes in AI-powered software for analyzing credit deals. His expertise adds depth to the discussion.
  • The Vibe: The overall vibe is engaging and educational, with a mix of humor and serious analysis, making complex financial topics accessible and interesting.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:00) **🎙️ Introduction: Dan Wertman**
  • 2 (02:07) **Credit Market Overview**
  • 3 (02:43) **AI's Role in Finance**
  • 4 (03:27) **Complex Financing Structures**
  • 5 (05:03) **Guest Introduction: Dan Wertman**
  • 6 (06:00) **Founding of Noetica AI**
  • 7 (07:50) **Importance of Deal Terms**

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Show Notes

There have been some wobbles in credit markets lately. It hasn't been too dramatic, but we've had some blowups, leading Jamie Dimon to speculate about the presence of other "cockroaches" lurking in the industry. But what do we actually know about the quality and practices of credit underwriting right now? Dan Wertman is the co-founder and CEO of Noetica, a startup that uses AI to scan deal documents and measure linguistic and term trends over time. Dan talks to us about what he's been seeing in the language of deal documents, and why there are reasons to think that more blowups are lurking around the corner. He also talks to us about how credit agreements are structured in the AI space, and how we should understand some of these huge data center financing deals we've seen lately.

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