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Don’t Make This Huge Roth Mistake

October 7, 2026

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In a live episode of the Money Guy Show, Brian Preston and Bo Hanson tackled a dangerous enthusiasm circulating among high-income earners: the urge to do a Roth conversion when the math works against you. They walked through a Kiplinger's article listing five times not to convert, debated one of the five, and then layered in their own decision-making framework. The episode is a careful calibration of a powerful tool that can backfire spectacularly if applied at the wrong moment or with the wrong resources.

Why the Roth Conversion Trap Exists

The hosts are unambiguous fans of Roth dollars. Brian described them as "the most valuable dollars that end up in our entire army of dollar bills." A Roth IRA grows completely tax-free for your lifetime and for up to ten years of your beneficiaries' lifetimes, and it is not subject to required minimum distributions. That tax-free growth is so attractive that people in high income brackets—who are often phased out of direct Roth contributions—look for workarounds. The Roth conversion became widely accessible in 2010 when the income limits on conversions were removed, and it is a legitimate strategy. Bo cited a Bigger Pockets Money episode where a couple named Mindy and Carl, with a large pre-tax portfolio, used Roth conversions during a low-income window between retirement and the onset of RMDs. That planning increased their end assets

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (01:41) **Why Roth Dollars Are So Valuable** - The hosts explain why Roth accounts are a cornerstone of their financial philosophy.
  • 2 (03:35) **What a Roth Conversion Is** - A textbook definition and the core mechanism of the strategy.
  • 3 (05:45) **Mistake #1: Converting in a High-Income Year** - The first major trap from a Kiplinger's article the hosts are reviewing.
  • 4 (08:11) **Mistake #2: Using the IRA Itself to Pay the Taxes** - A critical rule for executing a conversion correctly.
  • 5 (09:22) **Mistake #3: Expecting Your Tax Rate to Fall in Retirement** - A restatement of the first rule for a different scenario.
  • 6 (09:55) **Mistake #4: The "Step-Up in Basis" Argument** - The hosts disagree with this point from the Kiplinger's article.
  • 7 (11:30) **Mistake #5: State Taxes Erase the Federal Benefit** - The final trap, focused on geographic tax strategy.

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Show Notes

⁠⁠⁠⁠Roth conversions can be an incredible retirement tax-planning tool—but doing one at the wrong time could leave you paying more in taxes than necessary. Brian and Bo break down 5 situations where a Roth conversion may not make sense, including high-income years, future tax brackets, paying conversion taxes from your IRA, estate planning, and state income taxes. If you’re wondering when to do a Roth conversion, whether Roth or Traditional is better, or how Roth conversions affect retirement taxes and RMDs, this episode will help you understand the numbers you should consider before making the move.


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