Monetary Matters with Jack Farley
Monetary Matters with Jack Farley

Hunting for Value in Mining Stocks Amid Soaring Metals Prices | Freddy Brick | Muddy Waters Capital

September 13, 2026

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Freddy Brick, a partner at Muddy Waters Capital, runs a metals and mining fund that operates with a surprising premise: he doesn't have a strong view on where metal prices are headed. Instead, his team focuses on the junior mining sector—companies with assets in the ground rather than producing mines—where they believe information asymmetry and structural neglect create the best opportunities. The conversation with Jack Farley on Monetary Matters reveals how Brick thinks about finding value in a sector defined by vicious drawdowns, slow timelines, and a persistent shortage of both capital and talent.

Why the Junior Mining Sector Is "Left for Dead"

Brick explains that the junior mining space has been structurally starved of capital and talent since the last commodity super cycle ended around 2011. Less than 1% of the S&P 500 is in materials, and sector-specific mutual funds have been decimated by ETF outflows and underperformance. Talented young professionals have gravitated toward finance, tech, and biotech rather than traveling to remote mine sites. Low metal prices meant fewer mines were built, so fewer people gained the experience needed to develop projects. ESG concerns added further headwinds.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:00) **No Strong Metals Price View** - Freddy Brick explains that despite running a metals and mining fund, Muddy Waters does not have a strong macro view on metal prices; they focus instead on distressed, left-for-dead junior mining assets.
  • 2 (01:51) **Why Junior Mining Assets Are Distressed** - Brick attributes the opportunity set to a structural bear market in junior mining since the last super cycle in 2011.
  • 3 (03:19) **Base vs. Precious Metals Views** - Brick separates his thinking on copper from gold and silver, noting the long-standing bull thesis for copper but a lack of conviction on timing.
  • 4 (05:43) **Portfolio Construction: Avoiding Single-Metal Overexposure** - The fund avoids being massively overexposed to any single metal, focusing on assets that work at any commodity price observed in the last ten years.
  • 5 (07:56) **Origin Story: A Fraud Report That Changed Everything** - Brick explains how Muddy Waters entered mining after reading a short report on a Canadian-listed gold asset called Sanco.
  • 6 (09:35) **Defining Block Models and Smearing** - Brick provides a clear, non-technical explanation of how mining fraud works through block models and smearing.
  • 7 (11:10) **The Sanco Short: Pattern of Deception** - Brick describes how the Sanco report resonated with him as a short seller: it laid out a pattern of the company saying one thing and then changing its story quarter after quarter.

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Show Notes

Precious metal and base metal prices have soared as have many mining stocks, but despite this, Freddy Brick, partner at Muddy Waters Capital says that the industry feels closer to left for dead than euphoric. He explains why that setup and the consistency of the mispricing in the sector brought them to launch a fund with the help of mining expert Darren McLean allowing them to take concentrated investments in the assets they think the market is overlooking while running lower net exposure. He also discusses how they think about hedging in the sector, why they take a bottom-up approach to portfolio construction, and how they approach short and long activism in the sector.


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Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

01:28 Approach to Portfolio Construction

07:56 Fraud Report Origin

09:35 Block Models Explained

15:27 Why Juniors Are Distressed

21:19 Finding Mispriced Projects

25:12 Venture Like Investing

28:25 Promoters and Capital Raising

33:43 Sentiment and Cycles

38:28 M&A Wave Ahead

43:27 Trading Vol and Hedging

46:57 Long Activism Approach

50:23 Scaling the Strategy

55:10 When Alpha Shows Up

Monetary Matters with Jack Farley