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Part Two: I Spent 9 Years Inside Scientology: The Shared Occult Origins of the Nazi Party and Scientology — and What It Means Today | Jon Atack

March 4, 2026

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In 2011 alone, 10,000 women in China were forcibly sterilized under the "Iron Fist" campaign. The Chinese government intended to sterilize 80% of the six million Uyghur women. After the incarceration of one million Muslim Uyghurs in 2021, one gynecologist admitted to performing 80 sterilizations a day. Jon Atack, a former Scientologist who spent nine years inside the organization and is now a leading expert on authoritarian cults, traces the ideological roots of such policies back through the same occult lineage that produced both the Nazi Party and Scientology. His book If Scientology Ruled the World connects these dots, and in this conversation, he explains how absurd beliefs can lead to atrocious behavior—and why the same mechanisms of manipulation are still active today.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (02:40) **Mental Manipulation and Drug Use in Nazi Germany and Scientology** - Jon connects mindfulness meditation to the Imperial Japanese Army's use of Zazen, citing the Nanjing massacre as a warning about how techniques can be weaponized.
  • 2 (12:36) **Personal Attacks from Scientology** - Jon describes the harassment he endured after leaving, including private detectives, false allegations of rape and child abuse, and social services being sent to his home.
  • 3 (18:48) **Why the Church Sees Jon as Dangerous** - Jon explains that his book quotes Hubbard's own words on drug use and attack strategies, making him a threat by revealing the group's true nature.
  • 4 (20:18) **Ridiculous Ideas and the Spectrum of Belief** - The conversation explores how "ridiculous" is subjective, and how people can inch toward dangerous beliefs while still being open to non-material reality.
  • 5 (24:44) **The Internet Age and the Persistence of Occult Ideas** - Mayim asks how dangerous occult ideas still spread despite the internet's debunking potential.
  • 6 (30:00) **Teaching Critical Thinking and Compassion** - Jon argues that before teaching critical thinking, people must learn how their emotions can be manipulated.
  • 7 (35:59) **Distinguishing Psychic Phenomena from the Occult** - Mayim asks how to differentiate genuine spiritual experiences from manipulative occult practices.

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Jon Atack

Show Notes

What if the roots of modern cults, extremist politics, and even today’s “wellness” movements trace back to Nazi occultism, hypnotic manipulation, and one of the most controversial religions in the world?


In this explosive episode of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, Jon Atack — the world’s leading expert on authoritarian cults and a former Scientologist who has spent over 40 years investigating its origins — reveals the shocking connections no one talks about. Drawing from his groundbreaking book If Scientology Ruled the World: Nazi Occultists, Sex Magick, Space Aliens, and the Second Coming, Jon uncovers how occult beliefs influenced the Nazi Party… and how those same ideas shaped Scientology.


Jon Atack breaks down:

- How L. Ron Hubbard repackaged occult practices (including hypnotic techniques, repetition, fixation, and mimicry) and sold them as revolutionary “science”

- Outlandish promises that hooked followers: supernatural powers, immunity to illness, genius-level IQ, emotional mastery

- How Hubbard’s early interest in psychology morphed into the darker techniques behind Dianetics

- Hidden factors in Hubbard’s personal life (addiction, PTSD, and legal trouble for practicing medicine without a license) that shaped what Scientology would become

- Allegations of how followers were treated, including psychological and physical abuse

- Frightening recourse Jon himself faced for speaking out


Jon also shares his deeply personal story of joining, and ultimately escaping, Scientology. He reveals the major red flags he ignored at first… and the first warning sign you should always look for before joining any movement or ideology.


But this conversation goes far beyond Scientology.


We also cover:

- What actually defines a cult or authoritarian group

- How recruitment tactics are now supercharged by the internet and social media

- Where dangerous occult practices are still hiding in plain sight

- Surprising benefits and dangers of hypnotherapy

- How to distinguish modern spirituality from manipulative occult systems

- Why today’s political climate often mirrors cult dynamics

- Why healthy skepticism might be the most important survival skill of the digital age


This isn’t about throwing away all ideology or spirituality. It’s about learning how to extract the good without falling for manipulation.


If you care about psychology, cults, spirituality, politics, authoritarian movements, mind control, or the hidden forces shaping modern society…this is a conversation you cannot afford to miss.


Jon Atack’s latest book, If Scientology Ruled the World: Nazi Occultists, Sex Magick, Space Aliens, and the Second Coming: ⁠https://jonatack.co.uk/if-scien

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